Nebelskind

Maybe just having a lot of Investiture makes you more sensitive to things like that? I know there’s some discussion from Brandon about each Breath bringing you closer to Divinity, and that’s why your color sense etc gets better, so maybe a Dawnshard is just so much power it has a similar effect

This would make the “we killed you!” line make a lot more sense to me. Adonalsium is dead, but Odium sees its/his Command being expressed in Dalinar. of course, I feel like Odium should have known about Dawnshards, but I still like the idea

I had that thought just a minute ago. I feel like Change and Unity would be pretty good Dawnshard candidates (from the little we know so far), but I’m not sure when/how Dalinar would have picked his up. Granted, I’m not totally sure how Rysn became one either, and it was shown from her point of view.

It is really fun to see everyone's guesses in the light of the new information, though. A few of y'all were pretty spot on! And for the record, I'm going with Moash being Odium's second choice.

Ah okay, that all makes sense. I had read those, and I kind of suspected that was it but I couldn't remember where it mentioned that. Thanks everyone!

I'm looking for some help on something that a friend noticed. So at the beginning of WOK, as far as I know, Taln had his Honorblade in Damnation (or however that works) and Szeth had Jezrien's. But when Taravangian tells Szeth that Kaladin must have one of the other Honorblades, to convince him that Kal isn't a surgebinder, my friend I just talked to says that Szeth replies with something like "One of the other seven?" which seems to imply that the Shin only had 8 total (and gave him one). I don't have any of my SA books with me right now, so I can't check any of this to be sure. How many blades do the Shin/Szeth have at the start of WOK, and if it's only 8 (including Jezrien's), do we know where the last one is?

Oh nooo I hadn't caught on that that was the picture he was holding...I thought he just randomly took up drawing but this is so much worse now. Especially because he liked the drawing so much, and then that means that he had to use someone else's view of how he could be to try to become a Radiant...and then he gets just killed by Moash. Storm it.

Thanks for the confirmation! It does make sense; I think one of the epigraphs from the Parshendi songs says something about it too, but I don't have it with me at the moment.

I've been assuming that Yolen was in that red dragon constellation, since all the other significant planets seem to have constellations that relate to them and Yolen has dragons. Plus a lot ignore different places can see the red constellation (Taln's Scar/the Red Rip) which would make sense if it's the "original" homeworld of Yolen.

I agree this is probably not the most likely conclusion, but I did want to point out that the Fjorden religion is very stratified and highly regulated, and this is probably the parallel with Dominion that was intended. I do agree that this is probably a little too complicated to be plausible, but I could be persuaded that there's a possibility there. However, if there was an easy way to repair a Shard, I think that the Ire would probably have tried to repair Devotion instead of sneaking by a very active and very destructive Ruin in order to pick up Preservation. They seem to know quite a bit about the Shards, after all. Maybe there's a Shard whose Intent is something about healing or restoring things, and they could put Splintered ones back together.

I think that's an interesting theory; I think it makes sense that Odium would try something like that, and it does seem possible that he wouldn't just leave the power sitting around if he thought he could use it. Maybe Ambition is a close enough Intent to husband own that he was able to take parts of it temporarily without losing his "momentum." Nazh says something about how the perpendicularities on Threnody are "rare" and "morbid" in nature, or something like that; I'm thinking there are some fragments of Ambition that are kinda floating around, occasionally interacting with the planet enough for people to transfer between Realms there. As for Splinters, maybe the Deep Old Ones that Silence mentions really briefly? I've personally been thinking the Unmade are probably from Odium, and he was willing or forced to sacrifice bits of his power as part of a long-term plan to take out the other Shards on Roshar. However, I feel like there's tons of stuff going on in Roshar that we still have no chance of understanding fully, so it's totally possible that bits of Ambition are still involved. It would make sense that the Unmade are parts of other Shards that Odium's killed, maybe not only Ambition.

I agree completely; that's actually a pretty cool thought. Like the Stormfather, but less Honor-able. One of those running loose would definitely be able to cause some havoc in multiple Realms.

Yeah I'm not sure; I could see either way making sense but I think I agree that he's probably not.... It is interesting that he's apparently taken an oath to not interfere, though; if he is a Vessel, it must be one that's more withdrawn for whatever reason.

I completely forgot about the dragons being sentient, thanks!

I remembered this from Secret History: "One doesn't merely decide to become a shadow!" the man [Nazh] exclaimed... "It's an important rite! With requirements and traditions." I have this thought that Nazh is supposed to be from Threnody...right? Maybe? If so, maybe he's referring to the shades here, which kind of makes it seem like you're right. Or else it's something very similar, which still supports the idea that you can choose to become a Cognitive Shadow on some worlds. I really like the idea of the Evil changing this, though, since that fits with some of the theories about Odium and the Tranquiline Halls. I think that initially the Evil wasn't related to the shades though, at least in the minds of the Threnodians who fled the Homeland; they seemed to already know that the new land would have spirits (hence why they called it "hell")

So I was just looking at the Google excerpt from Arcanum Unbounded's section on Scadrial, and I noticed this from Khris's description of the system: "...the Shards undoubtedly used humans from Yolen as a model (indeed, both of the Vessels for these Shards were human before their Ascensions) in creating life." Mostly this isn't anything new, but the way it's worded makes me think that some of the original Vessels weren't human, or at least that some of the current ones aren't. Any thoughts on the implications of that? Has anyone heard or seen any theories about the possibility of non-human Vessels?

Whoa. If you got up really high and then lashed yourself down a ton, and increased weight by a bajillion or whatever, I think you could conceivably become a living meteorite. The very hard landing could end up being problematic if you didn't heal fast enough, but it would make for one storming cool entrance to a fight.

Yeah he said that somewhere, I think in a newsletter? But probably at the signing too.

Also, where was Marsh this whole time? I kept hoping he'd show up.

Do you think maybe feruchemy's healing works like Stormlight, restoring you to the whole version of yourself that exists in your perception, or however that should be worded? If so, maybe Kelsier just "healed" his new body into being shaped like his old one was. Or, maybe he just got the bones back from TenSoon and stuck a spike in his eye socket... and then re-grew his whole body around the skeleton...? That seems a little far-fetched, but then, I was 100% convinced he was gonna stay dead, so what do I know.

Yeah, poor guy, at least at that point. I wonder if he was so disoriented because Ruin was so different from Ati's personality, so we was kind of snapped out of it when he died? I mean, it doesn't seem like Sazed is too different, holding the two Shards, so maybe it causes more strain if you're the Vessel for a Shard which has an intent that fights against what your normal personality would want. That would suck, though, having to be Ati and slowly get consumed by a desire to destroy everything. On a different note, did someone say that Vax has been mentioned before, or did I read that wrong?

This had so much information in it, it was incredible. What makes a person able to attune/ascend with a Shard, so much about the Cognitive Realm on Scadrial, and even a hint at how Elantrians keep their power when away from the city (if I was reading that right about the "glowing" liquid the "ancients" drank to restore their silvery glow). Kel impersonating Ruin to haunt them was also really funny. Also, Adonalsium was (if we believe Nazh and Khriss) intentionally killed by the 16, but they all had various reasons for killing him/it, which I don't think had ever been confirmed before, right? Basically, in one story, Kelsier learned as much or more as a lot of people have over many years of puzzling this stuff out. Which is just so appropriate for him. Also he punched two gods.