IndigoAjah

And he can tap Zinc now to work that out very quickly.

I assume he has stored air (and health too!) so it would take a long time!!!

Nah, only if you really limit what you mean by anything.

Nah, only if you really limit what you mean by anything.

Fullborn like TLR shouldn't be able to lose to anything less than a God if they fight properly. Of course, those two things were both TLR's problem... However, Heralds are Slivers too. We have no idea what they are capable of. Based on what we know, TLR would cruise it but it's very possible Heralds are even more powerful than suspected. Ishar might be able to Connect him in some way that drains all his Metalminds, for example, and then he would instadie. Also, the amount of strength stored over 1000 years when you can Compound may as well be infinite by all practical measures.

We don't know but she has Metalminds, sounds Terrisman, has a Terrisman name,and it seems she's used Identity to somehow get Investiture across the worlds despite the Oathpact

I don't think Brandon does that kind of trickery. Sly answers that allude to something true without stating it outright, yes. Intentional misleading, no

Personally I really dislike the idea of the Shards having perfect exact opposites. But I accept it's a possibility If it's true then we get: Ruin - Preservation Autonomy - Dominion Whimsy - Ambition Mercy - Honor (I really think these two do clash - rules Vs empathy) Devotion - Odium Valor - Survival Shard IMO (Prudence) Invention - another unknown shard, one I think will be Honesty or something similar Cultivation - Endowment (gifts Vs growth, nurture vs nature But I don't think they stack up perfectly, and I'd rather they didn't. The idea that there are groups is another one with legs, though I don't think the groups are linked to Dawnshards, as the Allomatic Metals exist in groups, but I'm the similarities might be less "these Shards are all similar intents) and more "the way of thinking about their intents is a similar angle" So Outcome grouping might be Ruin, Preservation, Autonomy, Dominion. All act towards a specific, if broad, outcome. (Consequentialism) Drive might be Odium, Devotion, Whimsy, Ambition. All driven by an underlying reason behind every action, whether it's emotional, instinctive, or a desire. Could be called Instinct too. (Existentialism of sorts) Journey - Honor, Mercy, Cultivation, Endowment. All about the way you achieve things. (Deontological) Ideals/Virtue - Valor, Prudence, Invention, Honesty. All about the type of person you try to be. (Virtue/value ethics) If my random musings are right, then some of Harmony's problems make more sense: he has to act towards outcome and balancing opposite outcomes is impossible.

I am 90% sure that any Dalinar is Honor hints are red herrings and 100% sure, based on what we know about Dawnshards, that Kaladin isn't a Dawnshard, nor does he have one.

I dunno, he says that but Kalfering had always been on again, off again. I'll believe it's over when one of them dies

I'm pretty sure it would Flare Stormlight. Honorblade style, maybe, where their Blades use Stormlight far faster, but boost the power of what is happening. As for the Fabrial, dunno. It would probably flare investiture, so make the Spren act fast and powerfully, in a heat-fabrial for example it might turn it into a microwave type thing. But my gut feeling is that this would either release, or hurt, the Spren, or both. I'd love to see what Duralumin and Chromium do too. I find all 4 Spiritual metals interesting but especially Chromium.

Really, any Compounder is lethal if they have the imagination. Gold much harder to kill than a Radiant but one of the least scary. Compounded Connection sounds like they have huge Connection options. Fortune might make you Mat freaking Cauthon but able to Leech investiture. Nicrosil and you could self invest so much that Surges would be useless against you. Brass and you're the Human Torch. But the scariest is Zinc. God-brain AND manipulation powers?!

I'm 50-50 on this but it makes things interesting. Kell must have heard the Command, we think, to hold the Dawnshard. So it would be when Leras's Shadow passed it on I think. The Pits was just Snapping (and Snapping into a full MB is big enough). But Leras could have passed the Dawnshard on if he held it, and it adds a component to Kell's actions to help Vin survive in SH and his command at the end of BoM. It also makes him HUGELY dangerous, being a CS who had held a Shard for a while (one that fits the Dawnshard's Intent too) with all the impact of that, who has now manifested physically again with Full Born capabilities, knowledge, con-man and assassin skills, an organisation that seems to follow him and now a Dawnshard which I think would give him the ability to give a Divine command. The big question for me is whether, assuming this is true, Kell's real target on Roshar is the Dawnshard there. We know people are seeking it, people the Endless want to hide it from (probably not just the Ghostbloods, and surely including Odium too?). Maybe Kell wants to get all 4 Shards that shattered Adonalsium. Maybe he isn't trying to become a God but, once again a theme for him, the One Who Killed God? 07/12/2020 at 3:00 AM, Flyingbooks42 said: I agree that Kelsier is likely a Dawnshard, but I don't think that Preservation was the Dawnshard before him, just because I don't feel like Shards would also be able to be Dawnshards at the same time. However, there must be a reason why Preservation was able to give a Command like a Dawnshard would have. I think that, to be able to do this, Preservation might have been "holding on" to the Dawnshard, similarly to the mural under Akinah. I think it's hugely implied in Dawnshard that Shards can hold Dawnshards at the same time, and that it's necessary to best utilise the Dawnshard. From Dawnshard. I think Intent clearly refers to a Shard. Not a group of Shards of one type, either, but a Shard. At their core they are attributes of Divinity that come down to Intent, and Intent frequently comes up regarding what they can and must do. They are also the things that come automatically with the understanding of a deity, automatically change the mind to make it so. So if the Sleepless are right, you need to have at least held a Shard, or possibly had another access to boosted capacity like Compounded Zinc or similar, in order to use a Dawnshard properly.

A level 4 Radiant? Any Mistborn that isn't Vin with the Mists would struggle. With enough Atium they would manage against most of them but probably not Bondsmiths. With Duralumin, they could catch a Radiant by surprise and One Hit Kill one with a rail gun shot or an unstoppable melee attack. But otherwise they are in trouble. Compounders on the other hand would be an absolute menace almost no matter which one they were, and some (Steel) would destroy a Radiant if they have enough stored Speed. A Fullborn would utterly wreck a Radiant.

I'd say Charity fitted into Endowment, personally. A combination of Mercy and Endowment

True, but Copperminds seem to have a lot of control in the exercise of their Feruchemy, etc. It depends on how Connection can be manipulated

My order is: WoR which is phenomenal and Brandon's best book aside from The Gathering Storm. WoK Close behind it RoW though they may swap OB which isn't bad and had great moments but the flow was too uneven.

If you tap a lot of Connection to actively Connect, something that seems to inherently attract from what we've seen of it (its links to the Surge of Adhesion and Cohesion, its vague correlation to Gravity), I don't think it's absurd at all to suggest that it would inherently draw others' self/Connection to you and force a Connection between you and anything you touch or target.

It depends. If he's used to fuel Nightblood for a few seconds as his very existence, his eternal soul, is destroyed forever, does that count?

Yes

Well, I disagree on that too, I think the GBs almost perfectly fit Kell's worldview and MO and actions. As for his view of himself, I'm pretty sure most of the villains don't think they look like villains

Ah yeah, thanks for reminding me. He also has a well established god complex. Anyway, as for Kell not being in this to be a goody twoshoes: Sanderson has repeatedly said that Kell would be a villain in many other circumstances and stories. He wrote him that way. It's amazing that people are surprised that he might turn out to be a villain or at best chaotic neutral character. Sanderson told us this "plot twist" years ago.

I'm not 100% sure he and Harmony are still that close. It's been 300 years, Kell is all alone and every Cognitive Shadow we've seen starts to go nuts, and Saze has been holding two warring Intents the whole time. I definitely think Kell would want a Shard for himself. He's semi-obsessed with Godhood already. He'd tell himself it would be to improve things for everyone, and it would be partly true, but everything I've ever seen from Kell tells me he'd jump at the chance to get that kind of power.

Kel Vs Unleashed Vasher with NB and Azure with DB Vs 5th Level Dalinar, Szeth, Kal, Shallan, Lift, Jasnah, Taln etc Vs Moash with a stick Not Stick though. Then he'd win.

I'm sure Kel's end game is different from the Ghostbloods and he's probably playing them, to be honest. I'm not sure that means he has a "good" Endgame. He is a manipulative bastard with a mean streak and pretty dark morals. Almost all of his life he has been motivated by greed and self-advancement, and after that revenge, and then by loyalty to his own. But his own are all dead except Saze and Marsh. That he's working with those two is possible. But it's also possible that he's got his own plan in which he gains, now that his reasons for altruism are good and gone. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he had the same aim, with different methods, to Hoid with their parallels. Maybe he's trying to reform Adonalsium but with him as the Holder. He couldn't hold Harmony but would the conflict of Intents exist for Adonalsium approached in a certain Shardic Order? In which case what comes first for Kel? Cultivation would be a possibility. Or the Survival Shard. Or maybe, and this would explain his interest in Roshar, he's looking for the Dawnshards. Someone mentioned on Facebook, and I'm not convinced but it's an interesting theory, that in SH