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On 2/3/2023 at 3:07 PM, Oltux72 said:

In fact it seems to be semistable if we assume that they repel each other. As gravity attracts them to the planet there should be a height of equilibrium where their mutual repulsion is as large as the planetary gravity. They would also spread out to the corners of a regular polyhedron. If we further assume that a moon is also repelled by spores of the other kind, it might even be a stable configuration.

This was my thought as well. Attracted to the planet, repelled by the other moons. My gut says there could be an equilibrium there, and having 12 actually feels like it'd make it easier to do.

On 1/27/2023 at 1:54 AM, RaeTheRaven said:

I mean, I'm not really a meteorologist, but I think in general the moon has a much smaller effect on the atmosphere than it does on liquid water because gases are just less dense. Is it possible? Maybe, but... honestly I doubt that's what Brandon was going for. Like, the tidal forces on that planet with 12 moons would be super weird and complicated. I would say weather and specifically rain is much more affected by how much humidity there is in the air, the wind and the temperature of the water and the atmosphere. And having such precise patterns would seem to indicate to me that those factors are very steady and they change in the same ways by the same magnitude in the same places at the same times. Everywhere except for the Crimson Sea for some reason. I don't know, that doesn't seem like it would be a natural phenomenon to me. Whether it's somehow magic or maybe some kind of technology... I don't know. I just can't think of a "natural" explanation for it. But then again, as I said, I'm far from an expert in the field so maybe there is one.

Yeah, basically I meant because the "moons" were static, I wonder if they're creating "gravity channels" (a concept I just made up) where all the clouds are forced to go. I've only read the book once, can't remember if they talk about clouds without rain. Interesting, but not important (or is it?...)

On 1/24/2023 at 11:41 PM, RaeTheRaven said:

I also don't really know what would cause such specific rain patterns across the planet except for the crimson sea. I feel like there's gotta be some magic reasons for it because I can't think of what would make it scientifically make much sense. 

I don't know science that much either, but could the proximity of the "moons" help cause this? Similar to how our moon affects the tides.

As far as I’m aware, this is his first appearance. I heard from one of the Shardcast episodes that this was Brandon playing with doing a crossover of a different series *before* that series came out. Not sure if TwinSoul will be a character in any eventual Aether books (not sure if I’m spelling that correctly, audiobook listener)

Counterpoint: Wayne is literally referred to as Master Wayne multiple times.

Wayne = Wax, confirmed.

Heavy dose of /s, btw.

3 hours ago, Isilel said:

People became really hung on Kelsier's statement that it is impossible to steelpush over an open ocean, but Elendel bay isnt that - it is much more shallow and has other boats and structures to serve as coinshot anchors. Not to mention that Steris didn't think that there was anything strange with their actions, nor did she notice their unusual height

Oh yeah, I immediately latched onto "flew into the air" (which I can't easily double check that was the phrase, because audiobook), and to me steelpushing isn't flying (it's falling, with style). But I also remember I think Moonlight said "You have someone who can fly." when talking to Marasi. So yeah, it could just be a bunch of mistings, but I was definitely primed for different sources due to them being Ghostbloods.

Counterpoint: Who were the other Ghostblood members that helped Steris at the docks? They could all fly, so I was thinking Radiants. But no explanation of their powers were given, just "We can help with that. ::flys off into the ocean::"

2 hours ago, Aminar said:

Shallan's Mom is now running around on Roshar

This is what just hit me if this theory is correct, and caused me to search the forums. That will be a *wild* reunion, if it happens at all on screen.

@Frustration and @Wit Beyond Measure

About your confusion of the prison and The Eye of the World.

Book 1 Spoilers (and minor spoiler for later? I forget when you learn about the prison).

In the show, they seem to have made a few changes.

1. The Eye of the World is a known location. It kind of felt like anyone could go there, if you went through the Blight. versus being a more mythical place in the books.
2. The Horn and the Banner are not at the Eye of the World (the Horn definitely wasn't, but I'm questioning my memory on if a Banner was found)
3. The Seal *was* at the Eye of the World, but it was the whole floor. What I assumed was just the Aes Sedai symbol (which it is), people online are saying it was actually the Seal. Which seems to follow with what Moraine says in the show, while sitting on the cracked floor.

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Ok, I just found this post, so I'm going to talk about the show in general now. I'm put off by it, but still not as badly as I was with Seeker of Truth. I understand that some changes need to be made in order to adapt it to TV, but I get really hung up on mechanical changes that I think affect plotline and story points later on. So this is going to be spoilers for all of the books, just to be safe.

Ok, that was a list of some things I didn't like. But, I'm still willing to watch a season 2. I'm just not hyped for it and will probably won't jump on it right away.

I definitely enjoyed this novella, but I was never fully drawn in. I definitely wish I hadn't read the ending of Cytonic before reading this book, but I'm not sure it would have helped really engage me. As I've said before, I think I like this series the best when it's focused on all of Skyward flight*, and this felt too much in Jorgen's space. Other than FM and Rig, I think most of Jorgen's interactions with the rest of the flight were while they were in the air. (Ok, thinking back I guess there's some interactions on the land on Evershore). I am enjoying the whole series, but it feels like it is petering out. I'm hoping for a strong finish in Defiant.

*Skyward and Sunreach are the best examples of this. Skyward probably kicked it off for me and set the tone, and Sunreach seemed like the first return to that feeling.

On 12/5/2021 at 3:04 AM, The Unfallen One said:

My gut feeling is saying that Jorgen found out that Detritus was always able to be teleported just like Wandering Leaf was and then brought it to Redawn in order to help their new allies in the war against the Superiority. Like others are saying we'll probably found this all out in Evershore.

Agreed. I think either Detritus or Redawn was teleported close to each other (seems super dangerous though). The other option could be that the as of yet unknown location of Evershore is involved.

On 11/23/2021 at 5:37 PM, frozndevl said:

*** Not needed ***

I thought this was a jab at the book, saying it was "Not needed" until I saw you had edited your post.

I'm pretty sure it's intentional, and I'm pretty sure Weight is a derivation of Write (in that it changed over the generations), such that Jorgen is a descendant of Jason. I can't find a WoB about it though.

EDIT: Hmm, the more I go looking the "less" I find. Maybe I made this up in my memory? So maybe they aren't related.

3 hours ago, Wit Beyond Measure said:

The sole narrator typically has plot armor because if the narrator dies, the story ends midsentence and we never know if she's really dead.  I guess there could be exceptions if they cheat and add a second narrator at the very end.

Fair point. But we’ve seen different PoVs in the books before. So I could have seen a late death with an epilogue from a different POV.

20 hours ago, Neithan said:

Things like "lines of code" and "commenting out" are human abstractions that aren't part of what a machine actually does, and the way M-Bot and Chet talk about programs just doesn't make any sense.

Maybe it's all scripting languages. **shudders**

I’m going to say overall, I don’t think I liked this book. With my reread of the series and the novellas, I just realized I enjoyed the Skyward flight more than I did Spensa alone. And this was mostly Spensa “alone” (with new characters). But I will continue to read the series, because it looks like we’re all back together now.

Some specific things I noted:

- I really want to know where Hesho got the name Dark Shadow, because I immediately thought this was Spensa’s father, Zeen Nightshade. Regardless of the small ship and time difference of a new recruit. If it was an intentional red herring, it was a bit of a bludgeon in my opinion.

- The Delvers are a single entity who are going through grief without knowing it or knowing how to handle it. But I don’t remember anyone naming it that, even with their game of naming single emotions after listing a few feelings. I think the key to defeating them will be in helping them (forcefully), recognize and deal with this.

When I read ReDawn, I had the thought that Spensa may have saved the National Assembly Leaders by pulling them into the Nowhere. Given that Jorgen has seen her twice since Starsight, that means some time has passed for her as well. However, the Shardcast clued me in to part of an interview or Q&A with Janci and Brandon where it was said that Brandon gave Janci the idea to kill the Weights. I'm holding out hope, but it's completely in world for them to actually be dead.

So yeah, here's some thoughts.

• I think we're going to see some training (or at least learning) going on for Spensa while she's in the Nowhere. And M-Bot is going to have some learning too.
• If the Vapers are "ascended" AI, then I suspect M-bot will become a Vaper. Alternatively, if the Delvers are "ascended" AI, I think M-Bot will become a Delver. Basically, I think M-bot will evolve into something beyond an AI in Cytonic.
• I think Spensa is going to get out of the Nowhere, and I think it's going to be shortly after the events of ReDawn.
• I think Doomslug is going to die. Ok, not really. (most of) The fandom would probably riot.

For Evershore:

• I think Spensa will return, probably in the first few chapters, if not the first. The only way I can see she doesn't return is if she doesn't make it out of the Nowhere in Cytonic.
• I guess we'll probably see Jorgen trying to take charge of both the Military and the Assembly.
• I don't have any other thoughts on this book, because I haven't looked into it at all.

On 10/31/2021 at 3:23 AM, ftl said:

Wait, does that make the UrDail elves?

I immediately got Elven vibes off of them when she mentioned they had been to earth.

I also completely missed the line about the ring, tying it directly to Lord of the Rings.

Quite funny then that their people are later referenced as being Angels / Demons in earth mythology.

On 11/1/2021 at 8:48 AM, Use the Falchion said:

I thought Kimmalyn was panicking because she wasn't necessarily into guys and was flustered from being put on the spot/hadn't told anyone yet. 

Definitely a fair take, and I could see it playing out like that.

Not that there *has* to be, but there hasn't really been any discussion of non-hetero romantic relationships in the books.

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On a completely different topic (tangentially gotten to thinking about who we've seen that Kimmalyn may be interested in), I kind of want more screen time for the newer members of Skyward flight. Sadie, T-Stall, and Catnip. They've been around since Starsight (which I only noticed due to a reread), but we hardly know anything about them.

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Jump number 2! While looking at what the Coppermind has to say about those three, this line stuck out about Sadie:

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Sadie admires Kimmalyn and has a habit of recording her fake Saint quotes, not knowing that they aren't real. Kimmalyn enjoys the attention and likely is highly pleased by someone recording her sayings.

EDIT: Listening to the Shardcast and LadyLameness brings up these exact things. She immediately glommed onto Kimmalyn's hesitation in the relationship discussion as a "I'm not into guys" vibe, and then calls back to this habit of Sadie's of writing down Kimmalyn's Saint sayings.

On 10/26/2021 at 4:18 AM, Sparks said:

Edit: I've always felt since Starsight that the Superiority felt like Ba Sing Se from Avatar: The Last Airbender. Now in ReDawn, it feels even more so, just going full Dai Li unhinged insanity!

Have you read Defending Elysium, the short story on Brandon's website? If not, go check it out. (It is in the Cytoverse).

On 10/26/2021 at 11:00 AM, Shard of Reading said:

I think that Gran-Gran and Cobb are going to end up on the Kitsen planet, because the next book is about kitsen.

I had forgotten about the Kitsen shadowwalkers. I was thinking that the voices Gran-Gran was hearing were the Taynix, and she was just very strong in listening so could actually *hear* what they're thinking. The cries for help being due to the fact that the Superiority scare them into working.

On 10/26/2021 at 6:11 PM, Use the Falchion said:

who is going to be paired up in the next novella?

I actually think it's going to be Quirk and Nedd. At least, I got a very slight twinge of Quirk "panicking" when they were talking about relationships, and I thought it was Nedd who was really asking.

14 hours ago, king of nowhere said:

and gran-gran suddenly being able to teleport felt contrary to established fact. she's a weak cytonic, and her main cytonic ability is to perceive her surrounding to make up for being blind. if she could teleport, she had plenty of times when she could have done it

When was it established that she was a weak cytonic? (Honestly asking, because I don't remember it. But I also miss a lot of stuff). My memory is that she is an *untrained* cytonic, since she was like 4 pre-Detritus and lost her mother in the jump (which hadn't been explained to Gran-Gran how it worked yet), then they lost *all* their cytonics in the bombing. She didn't hyperjump before because she didn't really know how. Where as "listening" is the basic cytonic exercise they were teaching her at a young age.

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My thoughts: The first few chapters I was really afraid this was going to be a Starsight scenario and we were just going to be on ReDawn dealing with UrDail issues. Very glad we at least got Skyward flight in there....to deal with UrDail issues.

I don't know how I feel about the Arturo / Alanik budding relationship. The progression seemed like Arturo is suspicious of her in that first talk, and then the next time when Alanik *thinks* he's going to watch she doesn't betray them....I think he was already trying to be there more to protect her. Then the rest of their interactions was Alanik trying to catch on.

My crackpot theory is that Spensa saved the assembly members on the ship, by pulling them directly into the Nowhere. The events of these books are definitely happening at the same time as the events in Cytonic (I assume we'll see Spensa in the Nowhere in that book) because Jorgen has said he's seen Spensa twice. i.e. we could be near the end of Spensa's book at this point, and maybe she's grown in power / can observe Jorgen, but could only talk to him a few times.

Overall I liked this book, but I think I liked Sunreach more. I definitely felt more giddy reading Sunreach, but that may be due to having such a long drought of being with the characters. (Like, I enjoyed Starsight when I read it...but it took reading Sunreach for it to really sink in that I missed the Skyward Flight much like Chaos has said. And I listened to it on 1.5x on my reread because of that). In Sunreach, I really thought FM might die (because of her repeated use of "I have a 100% survival rate"). In ReDawn, I felt like someone *had* to die at the end, to give the story more weight.

So first, I don't know how meme threads normally are started, so just going to throw a generic title up because I had this idea since reading Sunreach. I finally went and made it while only part way through ReDawn. I am not an artist, so that was as close to orange as I could get without taking too much time :).

I really enjoyed it. The repeated use of "I have a perfect record of not dying in battle" kept making me feel that FM may not make it out of this one alive. It was a great feeling throughout the book. Also, the interactions with the slugs was great and reminded me of (Stormlight Archive Spoiler) 

5 hours ago, Zoey said:

Definitely not 2, Jasnah is asexual, implied in work and confirmed by WoB. 2 would really only be of active benefit to Hoid. 

Yep, we know that now, but I don't think we did at the time of my post. I know Brandon posted about it prior to the actual release of the book, but I think there was a period of time that all we knew about were that there were rumors. I was definitely in the #3 camp at the time.

1 hour ago, Miqius said:

Since it's my first, let me use the unfair ununlikeableness of mr baby yoda.

No need to write the characters' names, I presume.

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I could use a name on the first. I assume Lift because of the second one, but don't know where it applies.

On 5/29/2021 at 3:47 PM, CallsignZen said:

why is that a dumb question?

Probably because Dante’s Inferno is not canon in Stormlight Archive, meaning there isn’t a concept of nine layers of Hell on Roshar.