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  1. Amanuensis
    I will vote, just haven't decided on who yet. I was going to base it on luckat / Anamax / your / Mailliw / Luna / HS' response to my post but a few still haven't addressed it, so =[ I would also like to point out that both Shallan and phattemer have been MIA. Not sure if they've been on or not, though that doesn't necessarily excuse them from being evil. I feel most strongly about luckat though that's only because I tend to expect her to give a lot better advice to the village. Usually I agree with everything she says and learn something valuable from it, but so far her posts in this game don't seem very helpful (to me) nor feel genuine, as if she's just filling the expectation.
  2. Amanuensis
    Nope. The intent was to trick people into guessing my false code word (just not eliminators like I said).
  3. Amanuensis
    Before I begin I want to apologize for not being more active before today. A part of my strategy in MR11 involved lying low, so I reasoned that if I had participated more here while it was still going on my alignment may have been compromised. It was simply easier for me to avoid this game (and sometimes the forums outright). Now that we’ve won (high fives Kyn, Clanky and Elby) I will start speaking up more. First off, I want to say that I’m happy we didn’t lynch anyone last cycle, despite the fact that I know we could have benefited from putting some pressure on people. I might be wrong about this (will have to conduct some research to confirm this) but I believe that eliminators seldom get involved with the lynch on the first day since villagers are typically paranoid enough to accuse and gang up on one another when they have limited information to work with. As for Burnt’s death, I’m not sure what to make of it, though I suspect it had something to do with how many PMs she initiated. I think it would be useful if everyone says whether or not she began a conversation with you and what you two discussed. Personally, Burnt messaged me approximately 14 hours before the Night Turn ended. I did not read it, however, until after the turn ended, therefore I don’t have anything of import to add in that regard. Currently the player I trust the most is STINK and the player I trust the least is luckat. For the most part everyone else is still in that gray, neutral area, however my attention has also been drawn to Anamax, Lopen, Mailliw / LUNA and Hellscythe. Reason I trust STINK at all is because of something that involves our conversation during last cycle’s planning phase. I would explain but for now would rather not as that information is relatively sensitive. I am suspicious of luckat mostly for her last post regarding the Vigenère cipher. This is based off of personal preference, however, so try not to take it to heart. I just don’t think it’s a good idea for us to implement something like that because while the information transferred remains unknown to the Traitors it also highlights who they need to target. I am more a fan of systems that disguise themselves as ordinary posts. The only way I could see it working is if literally everyone used the Vigenère cipher (whether or not it is really directed at anybody specific or contains real info) to throw the eliminators off the trail of whoever’s actually using it. I also have a theory that the true reason she asked Wyrm if players on the mission could use PMs was because she wanted to know if her and her teammates could use their doc if selected. Wyrm’s response was open enough (“but all communication to and from people on the mission must cease during the Night Action Turn”) that maybe he figured out what she truly wanted knowing with the context of her alignment. Of course it can easily be argued that if she truly were a Traitor she would just keep her questions to the doc, but I think she asked in thread to gain a subconscious trust, as (I don’t know if others react the same) I tend to overlook players that ask the GM helpful questions. Anamax I am suspicious of for calling the kettle black. Last two games he played (AG2 and QF12) I am pretty sure he came in and threw a baseless poke vote on Lopen. Him voting for Arraenae for doing the exact same thing seems hypocrtical to me. While I don’t agree with Elkanah voting for Lopen D1 for playing differently than he usually does, I do think that a couple things he have said were suspect. Mostly the comment about him listening more instead of making plans and his strange vote on Orlok this cycle. Normally he has no trouble coming up with ideas, unfamiliar with a mechanic or not, and usually he is a lot better at articulating himself. I also do not entirely agree with Stink’s D1 analysis of Mailliw, however I also find it interesting how he came to LUNA’s defense regarding who she selected for the first mission. I am also somewhat wary of LUNA due to her choices, but I also don’t think it’s wise for me to ask her the questions that I want to, as she may have a genuinely wise reason. However, in the case of STINK and Lopen in particular, I’m curious if she’s a Traitor who (knowing STINK and Lopen are good) chose them because her team suspected they had dangerous roles and were worth being blocked. Finally, I noticed that Hellscythe said that he had ideas regarding the mission and that he would explain them during the planning phase, but never did. Now that it’s D2 can you please elaborate?
  4. Amanuensis
    Please excuse my posts lack of justification, for I am currently typing this on my mobile. Now that MR11 is over I can put my full effort into this game, so expect me to get a lot more involved from here on out. I am about to go to sleep now but the first thing on my agenda for when I wake up will be to read everything I've missed (barely paid attention to the first cycle, especially D1) and conduct as much analysis as I can. Thank you all for your patience and understanding.
  5. Amanuensis
    With love, Adavantos. <3
  6. Amanuensis
    Mystery. Mystery. TheSilverDragon. Shoutout to Lopen and Elby for making this kill even easier for us
  7. Amanuensis
    Sorry, the two reasons were that I did try but no one agreed with my suspicions and that I was trying to preserve to take advantage of my abilities without interference from the Traders. And no, I just meant that I was pretty certain an eliminator lynched Elkanah knowing he had a Death Sight Aviar, which they either would have learned via Power Sensing or Observance. It's just how I look at things. It's possible he would have put the kill order in one cycle, but that'll just have to be something for us to figure out once we have confirmation about who he PM'd, exactly. I was told my action didn't succeed. Kynedath(4): Clanky, Mailliw, Lopen, Ripple Mailliw(2): Kynedath, PK Elbereth(1): Hellscythe Adavantos(1): Water No-votes(3): Shallan, SilverDragon, Elbereth, Adavantos There is now a large enough vote gap without me that I can comfortably remove my vote without fear of my plan not being followed through. The reason I am removing my vote rather than hiding outright is so that the Traders cannot be sure if I used my ability unless they have spent an action on me, therefore forcing one of them to waste an ability.
  8. Amanuensis
    Must have missed one of those three, then. I agree with your assessment that it's unlikely the Traders would use vote manipulations unless it was to save one of their teammates, so unless said manipulation saved someone's life in favor of another I would guess they didn't waste it just to cement a lynch. I'll admit I have not paid enough attention to Ripple to say whether or not I'm suspicious of her; what are your reasons exactly? Was she inactive around C3? Because I have a theory that the reason there was no kill that cycle wasn't because they tried attacking me again but because there weren't enough active Traders to put in a kill order. Because of my power I have already been unable to participate in two lynches. I believe the game is at a point where we can not afford my voice to not be heard. I am not afraid of dying (I have never survived a game as a villager and severely doubt I ever will). I think giving myself up to the eliminators so that our confirmed innos (Water in particular) can stop tunneling on me and analyze actual evils while simultaneously protecting players with Aviar still is too good an opportunity to pass up on. I would rather help us win the game then delay my death for a cycle. I would probably hold onto that information until he's dead and confirmed one way or another so that we can see if anyone tries to lie about being contacted or not. But then again it's possible the Traders will attack you tonight so if you're the only Trapper who can confirm who he's PM'd telling us all now would prevent them from lying to the thread and saying that they were in contact with him. So it's up to you and what you think is best, I guess.
  9. Amanuensis
    I don't plan to, no. I'd rather tempt the Traders into killing me rather than someone with a useful Aviar. And if you would put your vote on Kyn I would appreciate it. I'm not sure if the two vote manipulations that have occurred this game so far belonged to the Traders or not, but as you said, widening the gap would be best just in case I'm right about Kyn and his teammates try to intervene.
  10. Amanuensis
    Didn't we already go over this a cycle or two ago? I think you are mixing up details again because I did not indirectly accuse Arraenae. I directly accused her, only to later retract my accusation based off of the way she responded to me and the lynch train that suddenly formed on her. I explained this all very well the cycle that she was lynched. Do you need me to link those posts to you? No comment on the second paragraph because I can't tell you what the eliminators are thinking, only make guesses (which I already did a long time ago). I can't do anything about opinions and vibes. I can only organize what information I know and post theories based off of said info. I must admit that I find it pretty frustrating that the only two confirmed players this game are suspicious of me when I'm honestly on your side, but I guess there's nothing I can do to resolve that until I myself die. I don't place stock in defenses like that either, Water, but it's the only defense I have besides telling you that I am not a Trader. I would ask to get scanned in a heartbeat if that were an option, but it's not. I have given you guys everything I have. Give my plan a shot or don't, it's up to the majority, not me. If I end up dying this cycle to the Traders I'll at least know I didn't die in vain because I'll have known I've expended every resource I had and laid that information out for everyone to see so that you all can put the pieces together.
  11. Amanuensis
    The way I look at the missions is they are a double edged sword. On one hand they provide the eliminators a way to kill an extra villager with risk of revealing their alignment at most three cycles later. However, for the Villagers, it's a way that players who know they are good can stay safe at the cost of not being able to PM anyone or use an ability. Naturally that's going to attract players that do not have a power, thus both painting a target on the backs of those who don't want to go out on a mission while also leaving them vulnerable to being killed. Also an eliminator could easily hide among the volunteers if they don't end up having a useful role themselves, making them immune to being scanned by a Hacker but still able to coordinate during the day phase to swing lynches. By implementing a system we are ultimately keeping our protections evenly distributed and allowing every player equal opportunity to PM and use their powers without putting their lives at extra risk. As the game goes on (and especially when we have a few Traitors dead) we will be able to see when a player tries to get out of mission duty, either because they have a role that is critical for their team or because they are the only eliminator left and need to make a kill. Of course they can go along with and sabotage the mission to get someone killed regardless, but then that still narrows down their identity and will ultimately trap them. Only problem with having fixed, repeatable groups is we most likely will never get every eliminator in there at once. If we did somehow manage to fill the mission team with eliminators and no kill occurred then we would know that we caught them red handed, which would be awesome, but very unlikely in this scenario. I think a good counter to this is maybe not use a fixed, repeatable group system, but we all vote on a player that we are most suspicious of during every planning phase to be put in there along with three others that are randomly chosen from a list of people who have not yet been sent on a mission. After everyone has been sent on a mission once then we can go back to the original list, minus the casualties, and continue to do the same thing until we get some sort of useful result out of it.
  12. Amanuensis
    It was this post I was referring to. I had taken note of you providing an indirect defense of Kyn, which I usually find more suspicious than a direct one.
  13. Amanuensis
    This was actually a concern that just crossed my mind when I considered posting whether or not I wanted to volunteer. So instead this is what I propose: we don't base team members off of volunteers, we base it entirely off of the player list. Cycle One: IrulelikeSTINK Anamaximder Mailliw73 Hellscythe Cycle Two: Kynedath Shallan phattemer Elbereth Cycle Three: RippleGylf Elkanah Bridge Boy Adavantos Cycle Four: TheMightyLopen Araris Valerian Burnt Spaghetti Clanky Cycle Five: Arraenae The Silver Dragon luckat LUNA Cycle Six: OrlokTsubodai IrulelikeSTINK Anamaximder Mailliw73 So on and so forth. Obviously we will need to adjust this every cycle for the players who get lynched and killed by the eliminators, but this way everyone will evenly participate in a mission and there's no extra information for the Traitors to learn based off who volunteers and who does not. I don't believe there's any ability that missing a cycle of use is worth putting at risk of being highlighted for not wanting to take part in a mission and thus likely taken out. It's already late for a few (if Mailliw wasn't an obvious target for a kill - assuming he's not a Traitor himself - I would reason he certainly is now) but I think that for the long term preservation of our information gathering abilities this plan would be best. What is everyone else's thought on the matter?
  14. Amanuensis
    My only response to this is this is your first game with me and posts like that are a pretty regular occurrence for me. See my LG15b post titled the Shallan Debacle and you'll understand how often I try to appeal to emotion because as a villager without any real power or information to offer it's the only thing I can do to rally my allies. It would be different if I wasn't completely PMless this game. At least in LG15B I could contact everyone and lay out "seemingly ludicrous strategies" beyond my own capacity. This game I did the only thing I could, and something I'm known to do when I'm a villager without an ability: play mind games with the eliminators and analyze the thread for clues.
  15. Amanuensis
    Emphasis mine. My concern about you, Clanky, is that I am always wary whenever people seem to just follow my example without questioning my intent. I tend to read that as them being privy to having more information than I do, which that early on in the game suggests that you're evil. If Kyn is good then lynching him bypasses any concerns the Traders would have regarding protection, which is why if it turns out I'm wrong about him I would be suspicious of you for cementing the idea of killing him by adding the second vote. Does that make sense? EDIT FOR VOTE TALLY (2) Kynedath: Adavantos, Clanky, (1) Hellscythe: Paranoid King, (1) Elbereth: Hellscythe, (1) Ripple: Lopen, (1) Mailliw: Ripple, (1) Adavantos: Water, I don't expect people to trust me. I have done nothing to earn it except for the possibility that I was attacked C1 and maybe on C3 (though I'm not convinced that's what happened and have another theory). But as I said before, I'm not willing to kill a player I am not certain of being evil unless we gain some sort of advantage in doing so. And right now I believe that no matter what alignment Kyn ends up having the village has something to gain for his death.
  16. Amanuensis
    Alright, so, this is going to be a relatively big post. I've got a lot of ground to cover, partly due to me attempting to lay low early on and partly due to how busy I've been the past few days. To begin with, I will go ahead and address the above quote posts. Hopefully once you two understand my perspective your concerns will be assuaged. First, me being "fairly unhelpful to the village." While I don't necessarily agree with that statement, I can offer two explanations for why it might be perceived that way. #1: I tried. Before you were revealed to be innocent by not one, but two Sori, I was suspicious of you, PK. Both cognitively and spiritually everything you did seem off to me. When it was revealed that you were good I backed off because I had been proven wrong. So instead I changed my target that cycle to the claimed Sori whom I was already suspicious of since the very first cycle: Kynedath. Problem was no one other than Clanky was willing to lynch him. Most players supported the possibility of two Sori having the same target and let him go free. In the mean time what has Kynedath done? As far as I can tell, he has been PMing players, gathering information, and setting up codes right in front of the eliminators. And what have they done about it so far? Absolutely nothing. Instead of attacking him, a player everyone knows has a messenger bird, they kill Stink, whose blatant disregard for adding his code word to his posts until absolutely necessary spoke volumes about whether or not he had any valuable Aviar. I want to seriously ask everyone here to reconsider everything knowing what we do now. Stink was a Sori who claimed PK was innocent. Thus PK is innocent. Okay, cool. We also now know that polkinghornbd was Water's Sori. Also cool. That's two players we can now ignore outright for the lynch. But do we know who still isn't proven? The third "Sori" who until last cycle has apparently managed to skate under the radar for both villagers and eliminators. Why? If the eliminators were willing to confirm PK by killing Stink, why would they not use their kill on the player with resources? On the player with connections? I suggest it's because Kynedath is evil. I don't have any concrete evidence for this, but please, hear me out. Doesn't anyone find it odd that he has lived so long without being attacked? Logically, there are only two possible reasons for why the Traders would have killed Stink over Kynedath: either Kynedath is on their team and doing so would be counterproductive to their cause or they are paranoid about hitting someone protected by Death Sight and wasting a cycle. I would almost agree with the latter if not for the fact that two cycles ago Elkanah was killed and it was revealed in the write up that his Death Sight Aviar was released to the wild. I am fairly confident that at least one of the players who voted for him to die were Traders that were aware of what Aviar he had due to power sensing. And you know who is on that list? Kynedath. There comes a point in the game when you got to start killing the people with connections in order to understand other player's intents. I propose we vote to lynch Kynedath this cycle and if it turns out he is not a Trader than you all kill me next. I am willing to sacrifice myself to see it because nothing that has happened since this game began has made me any less suspicious of him. If it turns out he's good and you all see that I am, then I would say turn to Clanky, who was oddly quick to vote for him after I tried to get him lynched C2. But if it turns out that I was right about Kynedath all along we have so much to gain. All the players who defended him when I tried to push for his death could be considered to be Traders trying to protect their ally. All the players that he has PM'd up until that point can essentially be proven good because why would a Trader PM one of his own teammates when they have a doc to conspire in? It's been five cycles now, which means that if Kynedath is evil that's three confirmed villagers in addition to PK and Water that we no longer have to worry about lynching. With the numbers we have now, that would be 6 confirmed villagers and 6 unconfirmed, one of which is me. There would be no way for the Traders to be able to outpower the vote because 3 of them would be among the 6 unconfirmed, making it much easier for us to spot coordination and manipulation. This plan is truly no different than killing a Seeker to confirm they are not evil, and at this point in the game is critical for us to consider. You know what? Storm it. Kynedath. I can hide this cycle but I might as well not. My aviar is long gone. I only got one result out of it and it wasn't even that useful. I welcome the Traders to attack me tonight. Better that they spend their kill on me than someone with an ability to offer. If I can't get you all to listen to me now and do this then it's pointless for me to be alive. I'm not going to vote for a player I don't think is evil, so don't expect me to change my mind on this. The way I see it right now it's Kynedath or me. So you guys decide. @Water: I will edit this post soon to include an explanation for what Arraenae addressed. My computer has to undergo a reset so it will have to wait about thirty minutes. Okay? EDIT INCOMING Long story short, Water, it was a ruse. On Cycle One I intentionally did not use my code word [mystery] twice (I had actually meant to not use it at all but put it in my first RP subconsciously and didn't realize it until later). Instead I used the word connection and intentionally left a paragraph that I would normally write in blue as black with hopes that someone would catch on and point out the fact that I did not follow the OOC standard I usually enforce. It took a cycle longer than I had hoped but eventually Arraenae did point it out, allowing me to heavily imply that my codeword was in that paragraph. My intent was to bait the Traders into guessing my false codeword so that I could steal their Aviar from them. Unfortunately that did not happen, however circumstances developed that forced me to reveal my role to the thread. Knowing that I was vulnerable to attack and that there was no way I could guarantee protection, I also revealed that I had an Aviar I thought using was worth protecting so that I could either get someone with Death Sight to protect me or scare the Traders into not wasting their kill on me twice in a row. On the third cycle I claimed that someone had stolen my Aviar. This was a lie. I was actually Aviar roleblocked and mindshielded, and no one actually made an attempt on guessing my code word. I was so focused on the possibility of the Traders roleblocking the only ability I could use to gather information that I had ignored the possibility that the mindshield did not belong to them as well. So, assuming that the mindshield was friendly, I intentionally used my fake code word connection twice and used [mystery] only once. That same cycle my Aviar was actually stolen. The amount of coordination it would require to recognize my trap, mind shield me to see how I would react, then accurately figure out what my actual code word was based on that information, I believe, is way too much for a single player to pull off without some form of personal messaging coordination. Maybe it's hubris, but I also would expect that whenever I'm playing village the only players who would truly try to sabotage me are the eliminators. As seen with PK's proclaimed suspicion of me, when I am a villager people anticipate me to be more involved and to make convoluted plans to catch the liars. I wish I had a way to prove my claims but so far I have been undermined and outplayed. All I have to offer now is this plan of killing off Kynedath to confirm whether or not all the players he has PM'd up to this point are definitely villagers (if he's evil) or not. If it turns out Kynedath is good then I will be significantly more suspicious of Lopen due to the fact he also voted to kill both Elkanah and polking, and because of the plan he posted last cycle it gave the eliminators an opening to reduce our numbers without fear of being observed or kill blocked. An additional reason for why Kynedath could be good and survived this long is because he is being used by a Trader he PM'd early on and has been relaying information to him via codes. If it turns out Kyn is evil then Mailliw would probably be my next best guess at a Trader, as I seem to remember him coming to Kyn's defense around the same time he was revealed a Sori and I advocated we lynch him to prove it.
  17. Amanuensis
    Just going to quote my ooc post from LG17. I promise to finish the post I was writing earlier tomorrow after I'm awake and sober.
  18. Amanuensis
    Sorry, yeah. I was working on a post earlier for MR11 but got distracted by beer and football. I'll try to contribute during the breaks but we have a lot of friends over so I'm trying to not be a social recluse I wouldn't expect a ton from me this cycle.
  19. Amanuensis
    This'll probably be the last thing I post this cycle, as I have to PT soon and afterwards have to get some sleep. Of the three lynch candidates I think I would vote for SD over any other, though Mailliw is a very close second. I am fairly convinced of Hellscythe's innocence, so I would be glad if you all didn't try to kill him during a cycle that my vote is useless. SilverDragon(2): Hellscythe, Lopen Hellscythe(2): Stink, Paranoid King Mailliw (2): Ripple, SilverDragon Ripple(1): Mailliw Elkanah(1): Kynedath Adavantos (1): Adavantos
  20. Amanuensis
    It's always refreshing to find another alcohol connoisseur. I'd say this would be me come Saturday morning, but I've got a big rugby game I'm supposed to watch in the city around 10am that day. Will probably end up fending off the hangover with more beer (Everyone should probably consider this a warning them I'm going to be considerably more inactive next cycle). Unfortunately I have no evidence that favors either side stealing my precious Xiphos from me. I just would rather believe it was a Trader who did it than a fellow Trapper. I have an RP I plan on responding to this with (as you already know) but I don't think I'll be able to get to it this cycle.
  21. Amanuensis
    He literally trolls me with this every single game, usually via PM, however.
  22. Amanuensis
    No worries, someone restored the balance with another downvote, it seems Well I had things to comment on but didn't want to double post. I blame you for not saying something sooner. Actually I responded with a firm no and just followed it up with what I felt was a proper response xD
  23. Amanuensis
    No, are you?
  24. Amanuensis
    I'm not fine with Kynedath, honestly. But I know my vote isn't going to count this cycle because I'd rather preserve my life and free up another protective role than vote for someone no one else seems keen on killing. EDIT: Also, down vote? o.o EDIT2: Nevermind, someone fixed it EDIT3: And it was replaced with an upvote though I have no idea why. EDIT4: Oh, and because I didn't respond to this earlier, knowing that Mail's missing vote was a GM error and not due to Mind Force or being Hidden, he is now back towards the top.
  25. Amanuensis
    As far as I know, Kynedath is the only known player with a Messenger bird. Probably would be better if we didn't point the rest out publicly, though, so we don't give the Traders another target. On that note, I'd recommend that if you do have a Messenger bird you don't send a PM to me unless you have useful information you want me to announce in thread to keep you safe. I just voted for myself last game (LG16) and got lynched for it, so clearly it's a precedence for me too. In case anyone didn't solve the mystery of my code word, it is connection. That's right, connection.
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