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Mailliw respond to our PM. EDIT: Please.
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Y'all shoulda thought about that before you outed me :[
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Sounds to me like you're scared about me revealing your true nature
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He doesn't count towards our win con already, so I could theoretically just let him be. I just don't want him swooping in for a victory when my team already has all our ducks in a line. Ya'll should be worried about him too
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I just don't want him to win xD but also don't want to waste my teams kills on him, got more important fish to fry.
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Anyone want to know Autonomy's identity?
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I mean, I would prefer to live as long as possible, but just be aware that I am about to cause a ton of chaos. Just debating some things with my teammates right now before I make my move.
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I was there enough to post one paragraph, or else I would have said a lot more and posted more than once, but given the fact I had to leave right after that's obviously not the case. I would apologize for focusing on myself, who is still alive and continuing to being made to look bad when the last thing I have is any ill intent, but I just can't bring myself to feel sorry about something that has nothing to do with me. Yes, that looks bad, but you're looking at the wrong person. I'm not a Shard (I was invested D1 by Survival), I'm not a Champion or a member of the 17th Shard (anyone please feel free to scan me), and I'm most definitely not a killer (Mistborn feel free to confirm that on me tonight, but be advised that you'll be wasting your charge EDIT: Time. Didn't know what Nyali just pointed out).
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Because I've been incredibly busy moving. I posted once night one, shortly after the write up was posted, because I was innocent and something happened that made me look very bad - I didn't have much time to write up a response then so what I did say was the thing that pertained directly to me. Then when I finally did get some time between flights to read over everything I missed I didn't have enough time to do anything more than let people know I caught up but still wouldn't be online for a while. Here's a link to my post activity so you don't have to go back and find it yourself.
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Annnd I'm back! (Sorta) Seriously, can you please explain how I am evil, let alone what happened in a turn where I was almost entirely absent from that guarantees that I'm something I'm not? Also Nyali, I am not Odium, though I guess I can't argue that either Burnt or I was selected as their Champion. I doubt Odium would have chosen me considering how much attention I received on the first day, though. Proof for how I'm not Odium is that I was invested by Survival on Day One. If the Vessel of said Shard wishes to confirm this then they can, but that's up to them. I don't want to put their life to risk anymore than it already is. And for the record that means I would have survived that lynch. I don't know why the 17th Shard tied the vote but if they knew I would have survived the lynch I don't see why they wouldn't have pushed for it, as if I did get lynched and survived that could have made me look a lot better, which is what they would want if I was on their team. I'm starting to think that they have been intentionally making me look bad from the start so that you guys waste multiple cycles trying to kill me for no reason.
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So I've caught up on everything that's happened since I've been gone but unfortunately I'm about to board my last flight and therefore won't be able to respond until I arrive at by destination. Just wanted to let you all know the cause of my absence.
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Honestly I can't even blame you for coming to this conclusion. I would too if I didn't know any better. But I am not a member of the 17th Shard even though it appears that Hoid interacted with her in some way. I guess I'll have to go ahead and claim that I am an Elantrian and put in the order to move Elebereth's vote to Trelagist. That is the reason why in the write-up her vote was moved despite the fact that she died to Hoid.
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I don't really think it's a pointless sentiment because I am telling everyone what my perspective and intentions are. If a thought process of mine has an impact on my actions and people want to challenge me for said actions then I'm going to say why I am taking those actions. As for that bit about LG14 it's not a play at people's sympathy, it's just a fact. The reason why I am so enthuastic with my activity (and why I came back as early as I have, since I had planned on waiting to get back into SE until after I moved to South America) was because I was genuinely interested in and excited for this game. I'm not entirely sure if that course of action I brought up would be my final decision; I am Shardless so before writing that I haven't done much tactical thinking in the matter. Just was a thought that crossed my mind to provide more options than just passing the shards around willynilly. There are ways to prove that you are a Shard, however. Say if I was Devotion and you claimed Dominion to me. To verify you I ask you to invest in Lopen, who I then open a PM with to confirm you are who you say you are. I can then also use my ability to start a PM with you and any player of your choice to prove myself. As a result we now are both verified and if we think it's wise one of us can give up their shard to form Unity. While I do agree that we should broaden the pool it's a very risky thing to do to non-Shards because any of them could be a member of the 17th Shard. Until we get some scans going or enough discussion / circumstances to soft clear players to receive Shards I think consolidating them is something to consider. Mark IV (1): Araris Valerian Mailliw73 (1): Conquestor Amanuensis (3): phattemer, The Mighty Lopen, Elbereth The Young Bard (2): Paranoid King, leiftinspace Nyali (1): The Young Bard Trelagist (4): Nyali, DeathClutch19, cloudjumper, Mailliw73 Deathclutch19 (1): AliasSheep cloudjumper (1): Amanuensis
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Hahah, I think I channeled Kas so much that I got his tendency to get killed D2 from him as well as his PM safety
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QF15 is complete. Elbereth was Rem from the start (and she received the first vote in the game). The reason I voted for Mark was because Lopen and I had a very short discussion about how often the first vote in these games is on an eliminator (honestly it happens quite a lot). The theory I talked about testing was whether or not Mark, who received the first vote this game, followed this trend. At the time I had no other reason to vote for anyone, and as I said I wanted to encourage discussion in a different way than usual, so I decided to go for it. I have since talked things over with Mark and believe he is aligned to the Shardic Coalition, and therefore I have no reason to push for his lynch.
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So when I write long posts like that my thoughts tend to get jumbled or I'll end up rereading them and editing some words in favor others for the sake of sentence variety so I think that's one of the situations where what I originally meant to say got lost somewhere. What I was saying is that I can see the "I wouldn't have done this if I was evil" thing being something an eliminator would do if they made a move (an example of what I mean would be like Mailliw in QF14 where he claimed to have used a Ledger on you and discovered that you were Corrupt. If it turned out he was evil and he said that simply to keep people off his back for making a really big mistake then yes, I'd agree that's suspicious. But in my case I haven't done anything that has harmed the village, so I don't really understand the votes on me / the reasoning that me saying why would I be this active as an eliminator is suspicious. I did bring it up again to see if more people would add their thoughts. Original Shardholders (apart from Odium and Autonomy) are basically guaranteed villagers, so I think if I were a Shardholder I would get with another and offer them my Shard as a means to consolidate them. This is dangerous because of that person ends up getting attacked by Odium or the 17th Shard that's not one lost but two (or more) but at the same time it's safer because they're spread out less, and unlike passing them to Shardless players there's no chance of them not being aligned to the Shardic Coalition. Really I would say if you're going to pass your Shard to another Shardholder, do it to a someone who has some form of protection or is unlikely to be attacked anytime soon, or give it to a Shardless player that you have very good reason to trust. The bit I was referring to that could be easily interpreted as suspicious was my voting for Mark. I knew the mysterious circumstances would cause people to question my motives, which is inherently bad for eliminators. I did it anyway because I thought the resulting discussion would maybe lead us to an eliminator at some point. As for the "I don't mind being lynched part" I literally said the exact same thing D1 in LG15b for the exact same reason. I do not have a very useful role. I would rather I die D1 then a potential Shardholder. That being said I'd also rather not die for the fact that no one joins these games to be cut out from them early. Though I might not have much to offer in regards to abilities, I have been helpful at finding eliminators in the past and would like to chance to earnestly try to do so in this game. I have been looking forward to a rerun of a Shard game ever since the last one, since I was lynched very early in that game for equally poor reasons as the ones I am up for the lynch in this game now. I do agree that the post was suspicious, but not because of his vote on Trel (as there are several players before him that have said they do not think I should be lynched, he's just the first one to tie it). What I don't get is how he figures Trelagist is the one most likely to be of the 17th Shard, Odium or Autonomy. Elbereth. Cloudjumper. Can you please explain why you think that?
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Fair enough you're wrong, but I can't really do anything about that now. Enjoy the rest of your day. EDIT: There's an hour and forty-five minutes left. I really don't want to vote for either Young Bard or Trel but I will likely switch my vote to one of the two at the very end of the cycle to keep me alive.
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My only question for you, Lopen, is what changed between these two posts? Also I'm going to go ahead and point something out, since this keeps being brought up. MR12 - Villager, 90 posts out of 794 (#1 Participant) Lived until the last cycle. LG19 - Villager, 26 posts out of 597 (#8 Participant) Went inactive due to real life circumstances, then died. LG17 - Eliminator, 40 posts out of 581 (#5 Participant) Died relatively early. QF14 - Villager, 34 posts out of 658 (#7 Participant) Willingly arrested self early to provide village with information. LG16 - Villager, 37 posts out of 529 (#4 Participant) Sacrificed self early to create more Snitches. MR11 - Eliminator, 40 posts out of 493 (#3 Participant) Survived the entire game remaining lowkey. QF12 - Neutral, 35 posts out of 366 (#1 Participant) Murdered relatively early. AG2 - Villager, 32 posts out of 869 (#9 Participant) Murdered relatively early. MR10 - Eliminator, 100 posts out of 937 (#1 Participant) Survived the entire game, half of which I was a known eliminator. LG15 - Villager 163 posts out of 1,692 (#1 Participant) Began this game in a very similar way that I did this one, died halfway in. Why did I just spend twentyish minutes of my life compiling this information? To show that regardless of my alignment it's either a hit or a miss how active I am. The only time that I was the number one participant in a game as an eliminator was the same game that I intentionally told people that I was evil knowing that I was safe from the lynch so that I could mess with the villagers heads. Every other case (and even in that game before I revealed myself) I played significantly more reserved than I typically do as a villager. My activity as a villager is also the same reason why I am usually killed early on in games. If people are going to cast shade on me for citing previous games then also cite previous games themselves, I would appreciate it if research was done to ensure accuracy.
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There's nearly only three hours left in the game and I really don't like any of these alternative lynch candidates. The Young Bard, AliasSheep and Nyali are all new to me so I don't feel comfortable voting for them quite yet (aside from the fact so far I don't think they've done much that stands out), I trust what Mark has claimed to me is true and therefore know that lynching him would be bad for the village, and DC was lynched D1 in QF15 so I really would rather give him more time in this game. I doubt that I'll manage to get any support for this, but right now Elbereth is the player I'm most suspicious of, right next to Arraenae. (3) Amanuensis: Phattemer, The Mighty Lopen, Elbereth (2) The Young Bard: Paranoid King, leiftinspace (1) Mark IV:, Araris Valerian, (1) DC: AliasSheep (1) Nyali: The Young Bard (1) Elbereth: Amanuensis My reasons for voting for her are as follows: Agrees with Joe that a sentence the Young Bard makes is suspicious but doesn't vote for him while simultaneously informing him that I am typically as active as I have been this game. However, when a couple more votes begin to form on me and it seems like the lynch can swing my way she speaks up and suddenly claims that her instincts are saying I'm an eliminator. Besides gut, the first reason she thinks I'm evil is because I've mentioned games from the past. This is a weak reason to vote for me because if you look back on any game I was alive long enough that it became relevant I've done the exact same thing, no matter what my alignment is. Voting for me for this reason makes no sense, as this reason alone does nothing to harm the village (which is what we should be lynching people for) and happens regardless of if I'm a villager or eliminator. In my mind that's essentially the same thing as voting for someone because of the fact they choose not to vote on the first day because they don't believe in uninformed lynches. Lynched someone because of something they do consistently as a player is not a valid reason to kill them. I can't help but feel like she's just taking the opportunity to get rid of an active villager before they can do any real harm. Her statement about the nature of eliminator docs still doesn't make much sense to me, even with her clarifications. While that might be true the one time she was an eliminator, I have seen others and even myself participated in convoluted plots like the one I suggested for Bard (though at the time I was suspicious of him for voting for me, I'm now less inclined to believe it's true). So essentially what's happening here is this part of her reason for voting for me was a knee jerk reaction to being voted on that I have since said I don't actually believe in. The "if I was this I wouldn't be acting this way" argument is, in my opinion, on par with "I know you knows" in its ridiculousness. Firstly for the same reason why I don't like being voted for mentioning past games. If a player would do something both as a villager and an eliminator, why kill that for that reason without any other evidence to suggest evilness? While I agree that it can be used as an eliminator to try and get out of a lynch, I only think that would happen when said player has actually harmed the village with their actions. But what have I done so far besides get people talking? Nothing, apart from unintentionally encouraging Mark to reveal a fact I would have preferred him keep behind closed doors for now. She also voted for me because I am bringing up past games when I mentioned something about changing my play style (I first mentioned it in QF15 when I said in my opening post "I am going to try something new this game and vote to lynch someone every day. During my absence I've decided to reevaluate my play style and am keen to try something new and to see how people react to the change." That was the only change I said I'd make, but then she goes on to state I wasn't clear about said changes. If you're willing to vote for me over something like "contradicting myself" (when I'm actually not) but you actually have no idea what I said I'd change, why not ask first before voting for me? Finally, the fact that she says her vote is staying where it is regardless of what I say. Considering that she's the one deciding my fate that's pretty closed minded, and almost suggest a confidence that she knows I'm going to die anyway.
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Ignoring the fact that I have the most votes right now, what do you honestly think of me in this game? While I should be happy that someone believes I'm good I would rather it be for reasons that actually have to do with my actions thus far, not just because the situation might be interpreted as a bandwagon. So when I asked the players in the Taldain PM what they thought about the votes on me, one said something along the lines of why do people feel the need to vote for active players early on. This relates a bit to your vote on the Young Bard, PK, so I figured this would also be worth talking about. If I put my bias aside (since this is my life we're effectively talking about) I am personally against removing talkative players from the game early on (so long as they haven't made an obvious attempt at leading the village to misfortune) as more often than not the lack of information early on leads to mislynches and active villagers are potentially the most vital resource in the late game. That being said, you voting for the Young Bard feels a bit odd. It's not that he is frowning on active players, it's that he's new and therefore unfamiliar with me as a player. While it is possible that he could be an eliminator told by his teammates to use that as an excuse, I'm of the opinion that he was being genuine. Besides, he's already retracted his vote after people explained that this is normal for me. So I'm not entirely sure where the real threat with him is. I'm bringing this up because I would like to survive a little longer if I can do so without harming the village, which right now means I'm going to have to find someone else to vote on to save myself. With him being the only player having more than one vote that means I'd have to vote for him, which if he is innocent puts him at risk of dying to Hoid vote manipulation. I personally would rather not put a new player on the chopping block this early, even if it does turn out he is evil, as that may push him away from playing again. While the fact that he's only posted three times so far might because he's seeking direction through a doc, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that its just a byproduct of this being his first game. EDIT: Fair enough Elby, if I can't convince you to remove your vote I'll stop trying. (3) Amanuensis: Phattemer, The Mighty Lopen, Elbereth (2) The Young Bard: The Only Joe, Paranoid King (1) Mark IV:, Araris Valerian, (1) DC: Sheep (1) Rae: DC (1) AliasSheep: leiftinspace (1) Nyali: The Young Bard
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If it gets to that point (which I highly doubt it would because that means the 17th Shard would somehow end up obtaining a majority of the shards without any being Shattered while still being significantly outnumbered by members of the Shardic Coalition) I would say it should be 100% up to the remaining Shardholders, particularly the one that would be sacrificed. Who was it that mentioned earlier the passing of Shards to keep the eliminators guessing? I can't remember off the top of my head who it was or if many people responded, but that's another good subject to be discussed.
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So that means Devotion created a PM with Mark and I and a group PM that includes you, so they might still have one available one left to use - that being said I don't think that another should be spent on me, so really phatt you're just going to have to wait for now. I'm sorry. Oh and speaking of an idea that you want to run by someone Mark brought up something interesting in ours. He asked me what I thought about requesting that a Shard willing to die volunteer to be shattered by Odium to make it so the 17th Shard cannot get their sudden win. I think this is another subject worth discussing. There are a lot of players present right now (PK, Mailliw, Alias, Rae, DC and Joe) so I would be pleased if you all commented on this. Personally I think that it's bound to happen anyway so we don't necessarily need to ensure it does occur yet, but it might be something to consider later on if the 17th Shard ends up in the lead (which should be obvious because there will be several Shards unaccounted for)... And I was ninja'd by Mailliw (EDIT: oh look, and Rae too >.>)
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If I could PM you I would tell you but unfortunately if I explained it openly it would end up effecting QF15. I know you've already done me one huge favor by creating a PM between Mark and I, Devotion, but if you don't mind / have the resources still available can you make one with phatt and I as well? Or maybe between him and Mark, since if I die this cycle it won't be wasted.
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I was finishing packing for my move tomorrow so I couldn't really say much at the time of my last post, but allow me to elaborate on what I meant. I was making both a reference to DC's last post and responding to Rae's accusation of me being Odium. DC has it completely right. My point in saying that getting lynched D1 is the most detrimental thing for Odium is that if I was Odium (or any other eliminator for that matter) why would I knowingly put my life at risk by pursuing things that can easily be interpreted as suspicious? Behaving the way I have hasn't done much for gaining trust, but what it has gained for us all is conversation. If you're not going to look at past games that I have been a villager or an eliminator to see how involved I usually am on either side then look at what I have done thus far this game. We are on page eight right now, a total of 161 posts including this one of which 22 belong to me (the most). I have used several different methods to get people involved in the game (creating a debate on whether or not worlds should be revealed, poke voting lurkers to encourage them to post, and then this whole business with Mark). There are now many posts from a wide variety of players that can later be analyzed once we are privy to more information. If I did my job right then said information should help the village discover eliminators in the future. The fact of the matter is I'm not an eliminator. I do not mind being lynched for two reasons; first, that the only loss the village receives from my death is one less body to keep them from being outnumbered, and second, that I am confident that my revealed alignment would lead the village to an eliminator. At this point I believe that at least (and most likely) a single player that has voted for me is evil. Personally I am the most and equally suspicious of Elbereth and Arraenae based off them being the ones that have effectively decided this lynch. I would rate Lopen next due to the fact alone that earlier on in the turn he said that he would rather keep me alive because I'm helpful as a villager (which I would say I have been more helpful this turn than most) and notoriously hard to kill as an eliminator (which in retrospect doesn't make sense to me as to why that's a reason to keep me alive since there is no protection from the lynch in this game) and yet he ended up turning on me based of very weak reasons (the way I understand it he voted for me for doing something that all players should do, which is be open about who they are suspicious of and why). As for Bard and phatt I think they are more likely villagers than not (if you want me to explain why I feel this way about these two I can as well). There are two different roles that can scan players, the Awakener whom can confirm I am neither Odium or Autonomy (since I am Shardless) and the Suicidal Analyst (who will straight up know if I am innocent or not). I would prefer that the scans not be wasted on me but that's a much better alternative to a player aligned with the Shardic Coalition being lynched on the first day for reasons that I personally feel don't really make sense.
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I would say that getting lynched D1 is the most detrimental thing for Odium.
