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Endowment. Created a planet (AFAWK) that with only one shard. People on that planet (compared to others) are the most stable and most at peace.

I guess having 50000 breaths was Nalthis's way of compounding. Power there does not seem linear WRT to breath count - it seems exponential.

That scene (Hoid attacking Kelsier) makes me thing of the Matrix, where Morpheus tells Neo "Do you think that's air you're breathing?" I like to think of it as a training exercise; or a VR video game. He couldn't really hurt him by attacking him physically. And he used the moment to teach Kelsier something. You don't feel pain here. You only feel pain because you think you should... ala "do you think that's air you're breathing?"

This was the exact example I was thinking of too. I haven't finished SH (half way through, so not sure if it gives more light later.) But this was clearly after TLR was dead (or moved on to the beyond), and K still put a spike through his eye. Initially I was thinking spiking the eye was done by TLR so he could have more control over Inquisitors. But that doesn't make any sense for the example at the end of BoM.

My understanding is the 16 people that shattered Adonalsium were chosen (or self selected) pre shattering. I get that. My question - is did they each choose which shard to take? Did Rayse specifically choose Odium? Did Ati choose Ruin?

Big ah-ha moment for me (I'm sure others already get it.) Heralds didn't have morality rules tied to their power... But the KRs did. Heralds didn't create the powers for the KRs, the spren did. The spren did it in imitation of the Heralds. Something/someone (maybe Ishar, maybe Stormfather, maybe Honor) built in morality checks (or at least behavior checks) into the KRs powers, via their links w/ Spren. So a few question - 1) Were KRs in previous desolations, or is this the first desolation? 2) Who decided the KRs couldn't be as free-willed with their powers as the heralds, and they needed more discipline? And ironically - even if it was stormfather, who instigated the morality rules, seems the spren decide to go against his rules on and off anyway (i.e. pattern & Syl both bonding to humans, even though they both said it was against the rules.)

I definitely feel this is leading into a Korean-Drama level love triangle.

Good point Yata. My initial thought to this thread was "Stormfather has a serious attitude problem." Not only does he not actively help Dalinar; he passively-aggressively tries to block/slow his progress. Wasn't him that is tell all the spren to not bond to humans. Didn't he send the storm during the last battle in WoR, not to help - but to destroy Dallinar's warriors? (I guess both speculations on my part.) Those subjective speculations, along with his words ("Go bondsmith, lead your dying people to failure") lead me to believe he will not be helpful. But Yata, I think you call out the one place he could be helpful... knowledge.

Argel, you've inspired me with my first theory: "Adonasium was shattered to liberate its power(s). It had become too invested in a single planet/system, which restricted it's mobility. And its "all 16 shard combined" was too overly balanced limiting its possible actions. Shattering liberated the many shard's powers and mobility."

Although, IIRC - the Heralds did not create the orders, and weren't even initially responsible for them. I think the spren created them in imitation of what Honor had done with the Heralds. And also, IIRC - some of the Heralds were even reluctant to accept the orders (i.e. they didn't want to be related / associated with them.) I had always initially though of the relationships between the Heralds & the orders as a very explicitly / formal thing. But know I'm thinking it's a little more "squishy?"

I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking "# of pages BS wrote in the Cosmere" + "# of pages BS wrote in WoT" already exceeds "# of pages RJ wrote in WoT". Don't get me wrong, I LOVE RJ. It's just that Brandon Sanderson seems to be a very efficient/proficient writing machine, that has kept his books at a very high level or quality. Maybe there will be a parallel to WoT books 6-10 in his future (where the plot for the epic is barely progressed - IMO), but so far we haven't seen it. Quite possibly BS won't finish the Cosmos... But right now seems he has more momentum, inertia and velocity than any of his peers in their Epics; or than RJ by book 7 of WoT (assuming BS is ~book 7 of Cosmos (3MB+2SA+Elantris+Warbreaker); not even counting his smaller cosmose books, or non-cosmos stories.

My facepalm... was when listening to Echo read my kindle book for WoR... and got to the chapter heading that is just a large list of numbers from the Diagram... and not knowing how to fast forward... so just had to sit there and listen to a LONG list of random meaningless numbers. And my wife walked in wondering what I was listening to. "One Hundred Forty Two, Six Hundred Seventy Nine, ..."

So let's take for a moment the hypothesis that Eshoni can become a KR. Any ideas how that can happen? Is she really a voidbringer?, and can a voidbringer become a KR? Do we think all the songforms for the Parshendi come from Odium?, or does just stormform come from odium? Is there a songfrom that would be compatible w/ KR, or maybe attract spren from honor (as opposed to the red spren from Odium that stormform seems to be attracting?)

Elsecaller for me too. We've seen Jasnah's powers so little "on screen." She's likely the most experienced w/ her powers, as she's been using them the longest - and studied from the WoR (before giving the book to Shallan.) We know she's already super familiar with shadesmar. And we saw her "diamond-fy" a thief. I can't wait to see what she can do "on screen" with her powers.

Ah, so one hypothetical: Szeth = Skybreaker, Taln = Stoneward, and Eshoni/Shalash to be Dustbringer/willshaper. Another hypothetical: There is not one book per radiant. Do we know If Lift is getting a book in the last 5? (Or am I just being overly hopeful. I know she gets a novella in the fall.)

I don't think Dalinar losing the thrill is due to Nergaoul moving. As we can see in the last battle on the plains, Dalinar & Adolin are not "using the thrill" but Adolin recognizes that Eshoni is, and uses it to his advantage. So I'm thinking if Eshoni can still use it, Adolin & Dallinar could if they wanted to. But Adolin talks about training himself not to:

I've heard it stated (speculated?) that there will be one book for each of the types of knights... We already have Windrunner (kalidan), Lightweaver (Shallan), and we know Bondsmith (Dalinar) is next. We've heard Relarin (Truthfinder) and Jasnah (Elsecaller) will get books in the tail end. But we also know Eshoni, and Szeth will get books. Do we think that means they will become knights? With Nin talking to Szeth at the end of WoR - he says something like "szeth will join the order of skybreakers". Its not clear to me if that's an order of the knights; or someone with the powers of the knights (same way Szeth had windrunner powers before, but was not a knight?), or just a name of group of people that Nin will send around to do his bidding. But Eshoni - can she become a knight radiant? If Lift got her own book - and she becomes a edgedancer knight; then that would be 6 knights were certain of (wind, light, bonds, truth, else, edge); with 4 remaining (Skybreakers, Dustbringers, Willshapers, Stonewards)

The question on vasher getting breaths on roshar was asked in line tonight. Answer basically the same as above. Brandon said it is alot easier to get stormlight on roshar... Than breaths. So vasher as a returned is living off stormlight now.

I'm guessing this was already well known...

From tonight's Seattle signing... Q) did the lord ruler have any children? BS) yes.