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Not sure, the question didn't specify. I'd say since a spren itself is an invested object, weather in blue ribbon form or in sword form, they can't be lashed. Even if they're your own spren they are still an invested object. Syl might have the consciousness to speed herself up as if being lashed. She is unnaturally fast when she wants to be.

His convo with Nalan at the end of WoR indicates he is holding himself to his Oaths and not some magical compulsion. Also I think at the beginning of WoK he thinks to himself that he could let Gavilar kill him but it wouldn't be holding to his oath. To me it makes more sense that the Shamans send Truthless into the world thinking they'll let themselves die rather than go through the horrible things they could be made to do. I feel like it makes sense because unless Szeth is the first ever truthless, there would be other instances around Roshar of people like him throughout history and everyone wouldn't be so surprised when he showed up. One reason Szeth would be the only Surgebinding Truthless, I just thought of, might be that the punishment fits the crime in their culture. So because he supposedly lied about Radiants returning the Shamans made him a Surgebinder.

Got ya. That makes sense. I'm under the impression none of them will be alive to retrieve it though by the time Szeth-Crazy-chull-Vallano... I mean Szeth-son-son-Vallano is done with them.

Objects of investiture can't really be lashed. It's possible but extremely hard. It's why Szeth didn't just throw Gavilar around all over the place. There are WoB explaining it but it involves Mistborn so I'll only put the relevant part. If you want the whole thing you can look in the compiled WoB in the Cosmere forum. A: It cannot affect Shardblades. Well, cannot is a strong term. Things with innate Investiture are much more difficult to affect by any of the magics at all. Which is why it's very hard for Szeth to bind people or lash people whering Shardplate to the ceiling. That being said, he might be able to lash himself or maybe even just his arms, creating a similar effect because his arms would be swinging with the force of extra gravity.

At the end of WoR Szeth made it sound like he had some revenge to take on them, not that he wanted to make sure they got back their sword.

This WoB is what I was going by. It's pretty straight forward although at first he does say it's the other way around. But Peter apparently later confirmed the second answer was correct. If you click on that link you can just use "control F" to find the actual one I posted below. Sorry I don't know how to link to the actual words on a different page. Q: Did Taravangian go to see the Nightwatcher before or after Gavilar's assassination? A: Um, oh man. I'm going to have to look at my timeline. I believe it's before, but I can't guarantee I'm right, because these things are all happening around the same time. Q: Because he says that Gavilar confided in him the night of. A: Ooooh, you're right. Nope, it's after. It is after. You can send that question to Peter so we can confirm it. There might be something I'm forgetting about Taravangian. [Peter said by PM: "As far as I can tell from what the book says, he went to the Nightwatcher after the assassination."]

I think he'd stand more of a chance than you're crediting him with. Patrick Star points out how his suit would be more effective than you made it sound. To go along with that Sezth probably can't dodge bullets even with his super human speed. We're assuming a Plasma sword would hold its own against a light saber or a Blade so he'd be able to fight them hand to hand too. The biggest problem facing Master Chief is he doesn't have magic and I don't know if he could counter the Force or Lashings. His only counter to this is his suit. He can be thrown out of atmosphere and land without dying so basically being lashed or thrown with the force would really only slow him down, not kill him.

The body was still dead at one point. It'd be more like having sex with Frankenstein's monster. You're having sex with a dead body that was given consciousness. And not even full consciousness like a vampire. Only partial like the creatures in I am Legend or maybe a zombie if you believe they can still feel something. Plus to get Arsteel to do things she has to give it commands like any Awakened object. While Arsteel was still alive he chose to sleep with her, but once he became a Lifeless it is no longer his choice. If he ever wanted to stop he couldn't. That not only means she's having sex with a zombie, she also isn't giving him a choice.

I think for Jewels to be a drab you'd have to ignore, in my opinion, one of the most emotional parts of the book. When Jewels explains how she felt giving her breath up to an Awakened God. She explains how honored she was to be able to do so and Makes Vivenna question her entire outlook on the religions of Nalthis. I'm not saying this is proof she isn't the Worldhopper, but to me if her background story weren't true it'd really take something away from the book. Also I don't think a Worldhopping Terriswoman would be so unhinged that she'd be into necrophelia. The annotations of Brandon's website says becoming a drab unhinges you and messes with your soul. Still sleeping with a guy after he is dead indicates this level of...is mess-up-ness a word? In conclusion I'd say her background story is true both because it's a big deal in the book as far as Vivenna realizing she shouldn't judge people as quickly as she does, and her mind seems appropriately warped like someone missing a soul. On a side note but still somewhat on subject. Hoid, the most obvious confirmed Worldhopper, doesn't seem to set off any alarms when he gives a story to an Awakened. Is this because he's got breath so he hides how he is different? Is it because Hoid is so old he predates Adonalsium's shattering and therefore has a little bit of each investiture in him? Anyone have any other ideas why he wouldn't seem weird? (my guess is it's because he got breath so doesn't look different anymore.)

If I can ask a question, I just read the Mistborn trilogy and, were Preservation and Ruin two different shards or a single one with their power split somehow? If they were two shards, does that mean a single person can hold more than one, since Harmony apparently holds both now? BRANDON SANDERSON They were two shards. Yes, one entity can hold more than one. Remember that holding a shard changes you, over time. Rayse knows this, and prefers to leave behind destroyed rivals as opposed to taking their power and potentially being overwhelmed by it. Source Basically Rayse doesn't want to pick up other shards because they'd change who he is and he likes being the embodiment of hate.

He could have noticed at the party when her shadow points the wrong way. He might not have known what to think of it at the time but later after he got his boon of being smart he recognized what it meant. Another hint might be that she isn't turning to stone or whatever it is that happens to people that use Soulcasters. I don't know how long she had hers but if she has had it a while it might look weird not to change to someone "in the know." Again I'm not sure because I don't know how long it takes for that to happen and how long Jasnah was faking having one but I think it's a maybe.

Q: Was Adonalsium shattered intentionally, and if so, was the intention malevolent? A: Yes, and RAFO Q: Did Adonalsium deliberately shatter itself? A: Hmmm, good question! RAFO! Q: How are you going to finish the Cosmere stuff? Like when you get to book 35, how are you gonna resist like book 36, we're gonna say "Courage is held by a dude named Steve and according to Hoid he's pretty cool." Just extend it another … how are you going to finish? A: We'll see. We will see. The thing is there's a beginning, middle, and end to the shattering of Adonalsium and the involvement there. More stories can be told in the Cosmere, but there's a beginning, middle, and end to that. When I finish that, that is the sequence that I wanted to tell. Q: If Adonalsium shattered with intent, would he always shatter to the same shards? A: It is plausible that he could have gone a different way. Q: So it could've been different Shards? A: Yes, that's plausible. These are the relevant WoB that I can find. I am not saying there isn't a bad guy that is the reason Adonalsium shattered in the first place. I even find that likely...But as far as I can tell, using the compiled WoB on this site, we don't have confirmation that there is an evil like that out there.

I have two points I guess. It's unlikely Adonalsium was part of something larger. It is possibility because in literature anything is possible. And there really isn't any way to say it couldn't be. But I think it improbable because there are no hints or WoB or anything that indicate there was ever a larger force in the Cosmere than Adonalsium. Basically my point is his world has to stop somewhere. I know it doesn't technically have to stop but practicality-wise it does. It is sort of like at the end of Men in Black when the camera zooms out and the universe we live in is just a marble of the universe those aliens live in and so on and so on. It's a neat theory, but functionally there has to be an end point that the story focuses on and I think Adonalsium is that end point for Brandon and the Cosmere. I just put a post in this thread explaining myself but I don't think we can definitively say there is a "big bad" that opposes or opposed Adonalsium. There are other reasons than an opposing force he could have intentionally shattered. Upon being shown the WoB on theoryland I retract my second point.

I think you meant a few spren are splinters of Honor Itself which in turn would make them a splinter of a splinter (Shard) of Adonalsium? My bigger point I'd like to address is the difference between an Honor Spren and Spren of Honor. I'll do my best to format it in this threads preferred format. All Spren are "of Honor" or "of Cultivation" or "of Odium" or some combination. Some Spren are actually splinters of Honor, I believe the Stormfather to be a very large splinter of Honor. Being a splinter of Honor and being "of Honor" are not the same thing. Being "of Honor" means Honor created you or had a hand in creating you alongside cultivation. Syl is an Honor spren. Which in her case has a double meaning. Syl is both An Honor spren in the sense that she is attracted to Honor in humans and A small splinter of Honor. When OP refers to: I think he is mistaken in saying that all splinters of Honor refer to themselves as Honorspren. Syl is an Honor Spren. She is the embodiment of the human ideal of Honor. She is attracted to Kaladin because he acts honorably. When he doesn't she goes away and almost dies. She is "of Honor" but that's not what makes her Honor spren. There are a number of other Spren out there, I'd argue Pattern, who are at least partially "of Honor" that are not Honor Spren. My Last Point This point was retracted after seeing a link to another WoB I had never read before. Anyway TL;DR Version There is a difference between being an Honor Spren like Syl and being "of Honor" or even a Splinter of Honor.

Vin had trouble acting like a lady because she grew up a street urchin. She pulled it off well enough to get the most powerful eligible bachelor in her country to fall in love with her. I'd say that's a pretty great job. Shallan got caught by the Ghostbloods. I'd say that counts as a fail. She got past Amaram posing as a darkeyes, not nearly as impressive as Vin posing as a noble in my opinion. I fail to see her "great" accomplishments so far is what I'm saying. I know there is more than one way to be useful or as you put it badass. I think everyone here is focusing on who would win in a fight because the OP says "Shallan or Vin... If they had to fight each other, who do you think would win?" If you'd like to change topics to who is a better spy, I'd say it's much more even. Shallan, with her new found confidence, would probably come out on top because her abilities make her an almost perfect spy. And with Pattern to mimic people's voices she could theoretically fool anyone. I still think Vin stands a fighting chance though. She can sneak into almost anywhere and has proven that a few times over the trilogy. She also, as I pointed out above, impersonated a Lady well enough to land herself a very powerful man. So she's no slouch with just makeup and disguises. One advantage Vin would have is her ability to fly which can gain her access to rooms Shallan would have to use lightweaving to get into, and we already saw how she almost got caught using lightweaving to get into Amaram's. Vin could have gotten in easier but doesn't have the memory ability to record all the maps so I don't know what she'd do once she was in. So I think with practice Shallan would surpass Vin as a spy, but I don't think it would be as one sided as a fight between the two of them.

In WoK page 182 on the Kindle version Adolin's in head thought is "Sadeas and the king flaunted their Plate. And...well, perhaps Adolin did too. He'd had his painted blue, a few ornamentations welded onto the helm and pauldrons to give an extra look of danger." As far as the OP goes, it's likely "welding" in this instance didn't mean melting both the metals together but melting one metal and letting it adhere to the Plate's surface.

That's not exactly how you should look at it either. Shallan has known about her powers since she was a young child. It's her own faults and shortcomings that kept her from training with them. Even if we forget the fact that it was Shallan's own fault she repressed her abilities and we start from when she started training with Jasnah she is close to a year into learning. Vin even at the end of the trilogy was what 2 years in? I'd say it's fair to compare the two as long as they've been training with their abilities for close to the same amount of time. TL;DR- It's not the amount of books you should look at, because they don't necessarily span the same amount of time, but how long each has been using their abilities. EDIT: Something else I just thought of too. Marsh being the only one who could compete with Vin is kind of the point here. Vin, or any full mistborn burning atium, is such a powerful character their best competition is an actual Shard Bearer. Not some barely trained 18 year old with the ability to make pretty pictures.

Is this why it's "smaller" than a normal Shardblade? I knew there was a WoB where someone asked if Szeth's blade was irregularly small and Brandon said it was but I never knew why that was significant. Is there any reason we have to believe Honorblades would look significantly different enough from a regular Blade that they'd stand out when someone described one? I mean every Shardblade is different, and they're rare, so I doubt no matter what one looked like anyone would think it looked weird. Along the same line, Lift, being a thief and presumably poor, has probably never seen a Shardblade and therefore wouldn't know that the one she saw looked different than it should have. So I don't find it remarkable that she didn't describe it as different.

I was under the impression that it was understood Honor used to have a physical form. All the shards at one point were humans and had a physical form when they picked up the shard. Then they became magical and over time the shard and the person merged into one "thing." That "thing" is mostly shard, as explained by Hoid in "The Letter." Honor was around, and did have a physical presence, until he was shattered. He still technically has a physical presence in some of the spren. The Stormfather is a large piece of Honor, for example. Am I misunderstanding your theory? What Ookla the Infinite says is also true, and I would concur it's probably what was meant by the passage you pointed out. They built Urithuru near the shardpool of Honor. Also maybe I'm just misreading everything. There have already been a couple times on here where something I thought was obvious just wasn't even true. It's part of the reason I like these forums, they give me a chance to see things I never saw.

I just took it to mean Kaladin was impressed with Hoid's musical abilities. Like if you heard a master guitarist play a very complex song or an expert pianist. You'd hear it and think "There is no way two hands and one instrument could make all those notes." Hoid has a number of magics that could help like commands or lightweaving but to me this was just plain skill and someone being impressed by it.

I agree. It might be possible. There isn't a WoB or anything that directly says "people with enough investiture couldn't be souldcast." I am admitting you could be right but maintaining my opinion that I don't think it'd work. Again no WoB or canon reason behind this, more of my "hunch." My main disagreement here is that if a Mistborn is burning Atium they see the future and essentially become invincible. True, Atium doesn't enhance your physical abilities, but other metals do. Basically if a Mistborn had enough Atium they could dodge everything you could throw at them. I believe the Atium shadows are a few seconds into the future. This means no matter how fast you can move they saw it coming a couple seconds ago and responded to it. I don't see how enhanced speed or strength benefits you here. Feruchemists as far as I know also don't have the counter to Atium (which is Atium) to give themselves Atium shadows which nullifies the benefits. They use Atium to store age, not see the future. This being said it's been a while since I've read Mistborn so I could be missing something that's extremely obvious and makes me and my argument completely wrong. No ideas here really. My guess (strong emphasis on guess) is that to beat a soulcaster using Atium would be possible. The second you see their Atium shadow pause you just push a disk through their skull before they can convince your cognitive self to change. Because you saw them pause in the future, even if soulcasting were instantaneous, you'd still have advanced warning they were about to try it and could stop them first. OK I'd also still like to get back to my concern with the OP. Maybe a fully trained Knight would stand a chance against a Mistborn. I'll concede all my points and assume I'm wrong about them all. This still doesn't give Shallan much of a chance against Vin. The OP's question was Vin vs. Shallan, not Mistborn v. Knights Radiant.. Even conceding all my points, even if there were WoB stating everything I said was wrong and a Soulcaster could totally destroy a Mistborn, even if Vin didn't have Atium. Shallan is a bad example of someone who might win a fight against Vin. She isn't good at Soulcasting...she couldn't even make a stick change. How is she going to convince a person? She isn't trained in fighting. She lucked out that Tyn didn't know she had a shardblade and wasn't ready to dodge when Shallan summoned it. She doesn't have particularly good reflexes and isn't even that coordinated. Vin would just swoop in in her Mistborn cloak looking like some shadow come to life and push some disks through her head while Shallan is still blinking to take a memory to get a drawing of this strange display of nature.

This is just the impression I've gotten from the books and other sources, but not from a specific chapter or WoB, so I don't have a quote supporting it. I always saw it as Pashmen/Parshendi were more prone to influence from Odium even though they aren't completely of him. And humans were closer to Honor. Each race is of both, or possibly of all three, but some races are closer to Odium and some are closer to Honor. This closeness makes each race easier to influence by the perspective Shard. I don't think Horneaters are prevented from bonding spren anymore than other peoples. In fact Shallan who, as far as we know, has Horneater blood has bonded a spren. Is there a WoB or some other reason you think they can't?

That means they're more easily influenced than say a Shardblade or Plate. But that still leaves the other WoB saying you can't Soulcast objects with investiture. I'd extrapolate that to mean you also can't soulcast an invested object into something without it. I know your argument will still holds weight here because all humans have some innate investiture and Jasnah still Soulcast a few of them. I'm just going with a complete guess that an Allomancer has enough to not be unmade, no real evidence, just a guess. It also leaves the WoB saying a full Mistborn is really powerful and would probably win against his other protagonists as long as the Mistborn had Atium. So he must have in his head an idea of why a Mistborn could beat a Soulcaster. Or he hasn't thought that deeply into it because his answer was just off the top of his head at a signing. I like to think he has thought it through though because I feel it'd be natural to think about these things when writing an entire Cosmere.

I just got done reading the Q&A with Brandon, and someone asked about a fight between a light saber and a Shardblade. I know lightsabers aren't exactly like the Plasma sword in Halo but I'd say they're similar concepts. This was Brandon's response: "A lightsaber is actually a little more easy to wield than a Shardblade, I would guess. Shardblades were designed to fight something larger than another person; you don't actually need all of that size when fighting someone. So that gives a slight edge to you average Jedi. If it's someone like Szeth, who has a more modestly sized Blade, then I don't honestly know." A link to that question go there and then control F for lightsaber. The original question stipulates no magics would be present during the fight (the force or surgebinding) I don't know if Brandon took this to mean the Blade wouldn't destroy the lightsaber, because in this fight it wouldn't be a magical blade, or if he was acknowledging they could fight each other without cutting each other in half.

That was another thought I had but I didn't want my OP getting too long. If Shallan has Horneater blood, because of her red hair, and Horneaters have Parshendi blood, and she's a Radiant, then it would make sense to me that it could work the opposite way. Any race with Parshendi blood could conceivably bond an Odium spren. Elhokar for example? I actually don't know if he's full Alethi or not but I know he sees "them" in the shadows and in mirrors and a lot of people have guessed he might be being influenced by Odium.