Kasimir

Kazs glared at Beedle, unimpressed. So much for helping the merchant find clients in exchange for a commission. "If I get killed by the Yiga because of you, I'm writing the lewdest, worst rhyme in the world about you, and playing it in minor key!"

On the one hand, I'm not the lead train, just the second one. Given Rhoam, a likely impending self-pres from Pyro, and the potential for last minute pulling off from Eiwlil or vote hoppers, I think I'm going to have to do this. I don't want to be doing this fifteen minutes to rollover so here goes. A player with a better risk appetite or even a more skilled player like Wyrm could likely finesse this. Unfortunately, Village, it looks like you've just got me. Gg us. Sorry @Archer but I'm not actually a Postman and I only made that mistake of talking about my role once as a Seeker and then Wyrm made me pay for my sins >> I am, unfortunately, Village Beedle and I can prove it at nightfall by telling you what items you asked for. [I mean I assume Kazs is actually Beedle's affiliate...] I reiterate that I'm happy to move to another train if everyone is dead-set against Pyro and I would prefer to not die as it seems the Village might prefer me alive for the time being. Village Mipha, if you're out there, reiterating request for protection come Nightfall unless you think you know who Link or Zelda are.

People consistently conflate players not verbalising their reasons for voting with a particular train being unreasoned. 2014 Kas would've sused you on the basis of that slip, now I just shrug and sus you for other reasons. Hey Mipha, if you're out there and Village, I could use some protection tonight, thanks!

Edited to add: Not comfortable with existing train margin due to potential for a self-pres vote from Pyro or Rhoam shenanigans. Edited to add 2: Pyro and Illwei still highest on my suspicions list but I'd be okay with going TUO given what I've already said.

This annoys me on two levels: 1. In my very extensive, two-game Elim experience, it takes more energy to be an Elim IMO because you actually have to put effort into the deception whereas Villager just involves you being genuine. (My hate for Elim play is known, what can I say, I just can't let being Elim be defended as great or chill. ) 2. More importantly, I think we've agreed to stop meta-gaming and I would frown on an argument that attempts to exonerate me by appealing to what Striker and Biplet would do knowing I am GMing the MR. I don't sign up for games (or try not to) unless I know I can commit to playing at a minimum level my conscience can deal with, that's all

Smh I broke my rule twice by giving you two sets of reads and even added reasoning to the most recent set and you still can't read me? Damn bro, I'm gonna go back to watching the Euros and forget about this game -.- Mildly redeemed in my eyes. I will stop ignoring your PMs. Edited to add: Yeah, no. Stand by what I said on that and TUO - it's (more so the copypasta) more aggro than usual Illwei and honestly the arrogance/smugness oozing off the post got my hackles up so I figured Eiwlil was trying to provoke something. Just wasn't bothering to engage since wrangling Eiwlil or you goes against what I want which is: Chill. Quiet. Game >>

If you're famous for playing chaotic, you shouldn't find it surprising when no one is particularly interested in taking the bait Edited to add: @Illwei - You really miss Quinn don't you

I'm usually okay with just not giving reasons and seeing what happens but sometimes my conscience gets to me. No one is perfect...

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Hmm. Been playing my thoughts a little close to hand. I'll drop some of my cards now but not all, probably because I don't like where discussion has stopped, and I suppose just in case. I guess I also don't like to go into a lynch completely silent. ( @Illwei Don't @ me Eiwlil I did analysis in LG73, even at the start, just not very much. I'm not gonna delve deep, I'm chilling.) Archer is a slight Village trust for me simply because I don't find much of a reason for an Elim to offer the Zelda plan he did. Put it simply: assume Archer is right about Village Beedle. (I do and have generally agreed Beedle is likely to be Village; however, I still retain 0.1 confidence that Beedle is Evil though - I don't like to rule things out like this. It's just the way I run possibilities and I'm not interested in fighting more about it.) On the assumption Beedle is Village, the Elims would know this. Elim Archer might feel okay strategising and pointing out that Beedle is likely to be Village but aggressively pushing that plan doesn't benefit them. It benefits the Village a little, so that's a slight Village trust since he has no reason to do that. I say slight because this is D1, and for reasons that will pertain to Pyro, namely: I don't actually think this plan is super awesome, and proposing plans don't matter because you're ultimately at the mercy of whether the Village will go with it or not (MR3, LG73.) [Note that if Beedle is Evil, then this isn't as strong a reason to think Archer is possibly Village, so that's another reason I say slight trust. Hedging my bets.] Pyro and Eiwlil ring similar alarm bells from me, starting from the insistence that Elims would insist Beedle is likely to be Evil. I don't really think so; I don't rule out that at least one of the 'Beedle is Evil' people is likely Evil, but come on. This is SE, people have different risk tolerance and certainty levels, and we've seen enough troll GM distributions to know that not everyone is comfortable with confident statements on distros. For another, to me, that's the most suicidal place for an Elim to camp given the mood of the room. They're better off demurring or simply changing the topic, refusing to say much on Beedle, or so on. For that reason, I'm actually more suspicious of those who came in after Archer to agree but not substantially add to what Archer said on Beedle - to an Elim, you might as well collect Village credit since the genie has already been let out of the bottle - Pyro fits that profile. Illwei's strong statement thus also sits ill with me, though Illwei has a tendency to strategically overstate to try to draw reactions. This is also why I deliberately needled her about it. I agree that Pyro's statements - e.g. about the rules clarifications - do seem performative. As a result, Pyro is on one of my stronger suspicion tiers with the caveat that this is D1. [I actually also don't think the plan is as devastating to the Elims - for reasons Ash mentioned that I agree with, and just historically in SE, Village will Village and Village players will play how they want to. In my case, that'd be MR3. An experienced Elim team would know this and not feel particularly anxious to strike the plan down. If it's not clear, I think the plan could help the Village but I don't really think it's going to crit the Elims or be something they'd be dead worried and loudly against. They have better options.] Illwei - sudden TUO defence also seemed odd to me. It was a rather aggressive defence given usual Eiwlil and I wouldn't be surprised if it was also a copypasta though I haven't been able to find that while searching. Suspect it was meant to draw reactions more than anything, but something about it sits poorly with me, possibly because TUO wasn't in any danger with regard to live votes on TUO at that time (just TJ) and Eiwlil was more or less attributing arguments to TJ that TJ wasn't really using at all. Steel - not really thrilled with Steel, and as I said, I'll come back to him on a later cycle. I don't like the idea of holding a guy's feet to the fire after he's back from two years absence. That being said, Steel's vote-hopping seems a little opportunistic, and while that is consistent with what might've been the SE meta at the time of Steel's departure, given Steel has chaotic play tendencies (or had when I knew/played with him), susing Illwei for that seems rather contrived. Anyway. Steel can wait; if he's Evil, he's not going anywhere anytime soon. Just thought I'd bring it up. Drake - yeah, nah, largely gut and Agatha Christie MR paranoia. ...Probably. TUO - share TJ's concerns. Mat - largely gut. Probably some stuff I thought of and then forgot since - hi, chilling, playing this on casual. But I'm a bit concerned about his jumping in on Pyro (duh, since I'm suspicious of Pyro, though Pyro's latest reactions have once again pushed me into some uncertainty) and the Steel train mention was just odd to me, because it points at hyper-defensiveness towards a player he has no reason to be defensive of, if he were Village. As I said - there was no Steel train. Movement on and off Steel involved just two players and one vote does not a train make. Steel was not and has not been in danger. So why that focus? If it was just to protect Pyro, there's a whole field of options out there. There's no reason to bring Steel up at all. And if a single vote train on Steel is bad, what about the other single vote 'trains' present? Are they all okay then? Main thing on Pyro also giving me pause is that there isn't much of a counter-train, though to be fair, Mat was trying to stop this. You'd expect more aggressive Elim action, but then it depends on the team composition as well, doesn't it? I don't like last minute vote swaps and I don't have the bandwidth or sleep (two hours!) for this but if I have a chance I'll come back and look and make my final decision.

I like how no one stating a reason has become no reason Mat's definitely rose on my suspicions a bit more given his sudden broadcast of the whole Steel train issue. I can't believe I've missed it but there is no Steel train. Steel was not in danger, one vote does not a train make.

Really. I actually agree with avoiding the Steel train - he's one of my weaker suspicions and I don't want to grinch a returning player on the first game he's back in. Strongly in on Pyro though, so it's interesting to me you want to defend Pyro.

It's a LG73 thing. I call her Eiwlil most of the time. Ironically, your movement off Pyro makes me feel a bit better about this I appreciate your tallybot and also know that counting Eiwlil just involves adding to a line. Plus, I've been consistently calling her that so it's not like I'm messing with you ... Much.

I had y'all as outlets in LG73, now I just have the thread to troll since you're not responding to my overtures in our PM smh Eiwlil Well, since I prefer not to make last minute vote changes and the Illwei train isn't going to go anywhere today, Pyro. Which puts me in the interesting situation of voting alongside two people, one of whom I find suspicious and one of whom my gut dislikes. I don't know what to feel about that.

I was trying to be a bit more clever/cheeky than directly referring to you as Beedle but I guess it backfired on me

Exactly what I'm saying

Ash, you know you don't have to third person this, just tell Archer directly how to do his item requests

Yes

@Alvron

Sorry, Santa Kas is trying to be more environmentally-friendly these days, but you're welcome to a picture of coal: I'll admit what I have on you is largely gut and wariness because I GMed Evil you and haven't seen you in action since.

Ftfy. Edit: Spoilering Drake's quote for the sake of anyone on data: I like you already, Ezlo. I do not regret this subscribe. But you are still on my naughty list.

I shall treasure this always Good to be playing with you again since the plant madness game. Says the guy who always gets into cage shuffle squats with me, how sus

I mean, if you were TJ, sure, I'd just ignore the PM. You? You, I will troll. Unrelentingly. Mercilessly. It will be... ...Fun

You think this is bad, you try dealing with Wyrm on a daily basis Sorry I'm gay now. Dear Prudence, please stay the hell away from my PMs xoxo -Kas <3