Kasimir

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In all fairness, I don't really know that one expects a simple, uncomplicated tell from you, especially once you yourself are aware of it and have seen it mentioned, but can't blame a guy for trying And yeah, I normally have to be fast-talked into agreeing with a D1 on Araris no matter what. Still low key feeling the though. Maybe it'll Digivolve eventually! Ah well.

If you can give me the game refe- wait. You, Evil? C'mon that's totally checkable, how often have you been Evil >> Mat...that means it's gotta be the Dragonet game isn't it, which means Mat's rerun of Elan's Rose Empire game - you've so barely been Evil bhai and the few times you are you scratch new scars into my heart >:( I'll take a look later if I'm not still out of it. But I'd agree, which is why I'm checking for the second tell, but there's a very key tonal distinction between E!Steel and V!Steel IMO and I'm okay relying on it on D1. You and Stick probably saw more of it. I think the reason why I'm confused and I'm just gonna lay it out: And I'm sorry if I'm not really coherent I don't think I should try too much weird crem when I'm sort of out of it. I feel like a point in Mat's favour is how much more 'extra' he was in response to suspicion in MR63 IMO: Three vote train, throws the Skittles rainbow at y'all. Like I think there's a certain difficulty to working based off MR63 Mat. Half the deal is that he's Mobborn so no Elim TMI but also very invested in living and this is theoretically true of V!Mat as well but it's worth KIVIng because it's not quite the same psychology. So it's a mixed bag. I do like that despite constant defensive posture, he hasn't been doing this. It feels a bit positive because you'd expect that kind of sensitivity from E!Mat IMO. The thing is, I also sort of feel this: Isn't exactly wrong. (Hi Stick I know you're watching :eyes:) I do feel the passiveness goes both ways with regards to the Skittles rainbow issue and can't decide if it's a good or bad loook. FWIW, the last time I remember seeing Mat do a Skittles rainbow was LG90 and he was Evil then. And Mat's been pretty much scoped narrowly in terms of trains here. I also don't know how to feel about how understanding Mat is of Aman tbh Which is one reason I asked for his opinion of Aman specifically. Compared to: and Just feel V!Mat has a greater tendency than most to actually 'u w0t m8' Aman, so I don't know how to feel about his sudden understanding/Zen. Also: RIP sorry Aman >> I don't disagree about forcing defensive voting, I also just don't like bad thread tempo Which post? You're talking to the guy who MLed Archer in LG93 and kept defending E!TJ so I'm not really sure that's wise. But fair. Thoughts on an Araris train? Edited to add: @|TJ| FWIW, I found the game and it validates my thoughts. Still more presenteeism from E!Steel C1 than in this game, matching the LG80, LG92 pattern I found. Check these out: Steel #1: "Warning, I'm busy." Steel #2: Rules question Steel #3: Mech/distro discussion, stated refusal to vote IMO that's still a more 'presenteeist' C1 than we're seeing here - he states he's busy with classes but makes an effort to show up and dumps things in the thread that superficially appears to be content. There's none of the raw dgaf from Weasel or in this post. Agree one shouldn't overread from absence of info but I think there's also a clear pattern here. I won't overweight this last point but I also think it's significant that Fifth recognised the same tendency and agreed when we were trying to read Weasel in AG9 - he's Fifth's Wyrm, if anything.

Could I ask where you currently are on Araris? Edited to add: Ngl I'm currently very confused by Mat >>

This, sorry. Basically I feel V!Aman tends to be more engaged or interested, and I wasn't getting that off him earlier, and it showed up again (where else) in my read of MR63. He's definitely more into this now, and I sort of feel bad because I feel his writing pains over Redshift (having also lamented to him OOG in writer solidarity) but IG, I do consider Aman lacking WiM to lean more into Elim Aman. I guess the way I'd spell it out is that V!Aman is just more viscerally engaged: tricky plays, solving, interest. He doesn't have to do it intensely, but it's there, and I'm not sure I really felt significant presence from him in the early game. My counterpoint, as I mentioned, is that E!Aman sort of worked out this was a big problem in early MR57 and tends to compensate for that by sitting in the thread like Smaug and working the thread heavily in real time. I did see him sort of mentally checking out when Evil in MR62 (the Creston game, when he got converted), but that was more in doc than in thread. Still, I do feel some concern when I see that attitude. Hmm, I see... Hey Writer if you're bored and you don't have anything better to do, consider hooking me up with Aman :eyes: I have Digimon memes to send him! :eyes:

I did, and surely I shall go to Hell for it. Oh wait. We're all already here Edited to add: <Fae, Telrao, Devo, Ash, TKN, Alv, JNV, Steel> Edited to add 2: K sorry guys but this does have to be pointed out. Agreed about Fae and Telrao not being able to and Telrao at least getting the potential inactivity clear but disregarding my personal reads, this is a pool of seven players (eight plus Telrao) who can send in an anon vote and have a 1/5 chance of messing with the end results or CWing in a clean way. I don't really believe that the pool of seven is pure. If I'm right about how a non-voter displays with VitC, that's really hard to backtrace in an seven-pool - very big PoE. Edited to add 3: @Amanuensis: Realistically yes and no I guess (man I say that a lot sorry.) Part of me is reluctant to believe we didn't even find one Elim in all the trains, though I also think that's plausible based off low urgency. Marrying the thoughts gives us something like "probably at most one Elim endangered, barring LG93 weirdness, with plentiful CWs and a VitC in reserve to keep things relatively unthreatened." So yeah I... Damnit. Ok sorry I was going somewhere with this and I legit blanked and don't remember, I'm sorry. I'll add it in another post or something when I do :/

Fair. I'll take full responsibility for the fact I'm sort of out of it and blanking out at the moment. Just trying to stick around and work on this one Turn at a time while I still can ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Ah, raw vote analysis, got it. Sorry, I think I was conflating that with my overall lean on Sart, hence I was a bit ? about why E!Sart suddenly showed up. This would make sense - does require V!DeTess, which I'm on and off about. I think the fence sitting charge is fair, and have agreed with TJ about it though taking a different direction, but also think DeTess seems to be showing a more Village mindset in challenging Archer on distro. Depending on Elan's response to my question, think it's worth keeping eyes out for a VitC hammer from those who haven't voted. Considering if it's worth crediting Araris for pointing that out, or if I'm reading too much into what he said: Edited to add: Don't disagree it's a fair take, yeah. I was more interested in player mindsets/thoughts than necessarily predicting how the mechanic would play nout, for sure.

Yeah, I'm not confident of my TKN read but hope/presume we'll get there over time. I've said this multiple times in games and TKN gave it a seal of approval in LG93 dead doc so I'm just gonna say this again in case I get VitC wagoned or NKed or whatever: TKN's usually somewhat helpful by C3. If by C3, y'all don't see anything much out of TKN, start looking for spikes. Or whatever the correct Threnodite term is. Hidden ? This works for me - I definitely felt there was some performativity to DeTess echoing it, though I'm still also of the view that position in general is a tad vacuous.

Aman :eyes: I don't feel that particularly strongly. I admit I partly said it to see if anyone might say anything or be helpful in that regard - Ash has had passive Village games before too, e.g. LG93, so I don't know whether to trust the Dingo vibes or accept I tend to associate passivity from him with Dingo. I'd upfront agree I have Ash as a null, though despite reads, my C1s tend to boil down to those I won't vote (any flavour of Village + pragmatics) and those I will (null or Evil, preferably Evil.) Ash-Aloha how so? Brain kinda dead and am poring over Mat's past games atm, apologies. Why so? Edited to add: @Matrim's Dice - Current Aman read?

*looks at Aman* *raises eyebrows* Gonna be honest mate, I really don't think you wanna hear from me right now >> The serious answer is that I'm currently looking between <DeTess, Archer, Mat, Ash.> Recognise that's like...three of the existing trains but no matter how much I re-tread, I'm currently okay with V!TJ, V!Steel, weakly okay with V!Devo, V!Sart. (Probably fudging the credences a bit but it happens.) I still maintain it's pointless to go after Fae and Telrao right now, and I'm not keen on C1ing Alv. Part of this as well is the fact that if the vote is this diluted, it might mean the Elims feel decreased pressure, though I also sort of wonder about this? Again, my brain goes back to QF59 - not knowing who the Villagers were really voting on made me and Orlok and Striker struggle to strategise what was the appropriate move and where to find a stable CW. In that light, I feel like if any train did have CW vibes, it'd probably be in the DeTess/Mat territory. Overall, I guess I'm weakly okay with: <TKN, Araris> being added but recognise I don't have strong feelings about either, it'd be me throwing rocks into the null pool. I'm sort of inclined to read TKN's early interjections in a slightly positive light because it gives me LG93 memories but I don't know if I'm overcrediting TKN at this juncture, simply put. I'd at least like to hear more about why TKN has a V read of Mat. Where are you at?

Sorry, I think this recent COVID download has overwritten my joke subroutine :eyes: Gotta install the new patch!

Why let it rand then? Pretty much guarantees* us a bad result, no? *with a high degree of probability, blah blah blah

If we break the tie, Alv's gonna be mad isn't he. Eh yes and no. I'm not really fond of the low tempo - usually leads me to think no Elim is under threat or significantly under threat. Edited to add: Inb4 we find out half the game VitCed and the end wagon is something else entirely >> @Elandera If players use VitC to push through a hammer, what will we see? Suppose: Well, sorry two scenarios. A. Suppose all our red players use VitC to vote TJ. What's the final result? What will the votecount look like in the write-up, on the assumption none of their votes were lost? B. Suppose Steel is Evil, and has sent in an anonymous vote but hasn't made a thread vote. Steel votes for Aman. Do we see: Aman (1): or Aman (1): Steel?

And lo, the people crieth unto Elan for a VC. And the Goddess was silent. Then Mordekai went forth, and stretched out his hand and— And Kas then popped another tablet and cursed the -19 plague sweeping through his household, and sighed. "C'mon Tallybot," he said, and didn't feel remotely like redoing the code. —and Mordekai found paper and pen and wrote it out because Warmmha helped those who helped themselves. Someone @ me if I missed something I'm still not feeling that great. Comments as I scrolled back for votes and redid this: -Archer's vote is strangely elastic on Mat - @The Known Novel What do you mean by you feel good about Mat? -I see TJ and Araris have gotten tired of aggressive distancing :eyes: -Four way tie seems to point back to the low tempo problem IMO. Edited to add: Tbh part of me had been wondering if it was you having a rough landing in C1 and figuring I might get more info going forwards. But I'm also willing to acknowledge again that I have a problem when it comes to easily making excuses for certain players ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Uggggggh. Ok. Say I think it's not great to be pushing Alpha now regardless of my thoughts - I really appreciate players giving grace for playstyle changes, and I've reached this comment from Alpha here. I don't think it alters my suspicions substantively but it does make me less directly willing to want to go for it right here and now on C1. Bracketing Alpha: I do feel a bit good about Devo. I feel as though I'm seeing hints of her Village meta at this juncture (uncertain, observe more), but also in general, feel she positioned herself someplace not very intuitive for an Elim. Non-starter for now. Sigh. My heart says no to any train on TJ. Also still feel his opening is a good look, and as much as my heart lies about TJ... yeah. Don't feel E!TJ opens that way either, and am waiting as I believe I'm aware of a second Village tell where he's concerned. Non-starter for now. vicinity, maybe , IDRK. It's counterintuitive but I have a positive gut read of Sart, that, for the reasons I've outlined, which actually boils down to "Village me always thinks Village Sart is kayana and when Sart sounds sane, he's Evil." So sue me, it's worked in the past ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There's probably a more respectable way of framing it given my concerns that Sart's anti-DeTess argument begins from what I take to be a very Elim perspective, but it's tonally/spiritually consistent with his post as Mint Heron, and at core, I just feel it is a good opening post. E!Sart has an aggravated opening in LG92 but that's way more curt/aggravated and I don't feel that coming from him here. vicinity, maybe , IDRK. Policy no to Araris and Alv. Araris / Porch Bro is negotiable, Alv / Chance Bro is not. on both. I...regret to say this but my gut doesn't feel too good about Aman and I think I know why. I don't want to say more about it at this juncture except that it makes me feel very :| because ThreadPMBro. Realistically, . Want to watch. I've laid out my reasons in the Steel References of my previous post why I think Steel is . I could be wrong but I am aware of a second V!Steel tell I'm keeping my eyes open for. I'll note that Fifth validated my V!Steel dgaf read previously, so I do feel moderately confident. Mild on JNV for disengagement. Disengagement reads feel bad so I've watered it down, but fundamentally don't feel I'm mistaken given MR63. I will surprise myself with a mild on TKN. Sort of gut for this. I think it's based on his play so far, but I know that's not a very strong reason. Will have to keep watching, potential downgrade to in the vicinity. Fae and Telrao are a wash at the moment, due to non-presence. Either there's a PH, or they'll be filtered out. I don't regard their alignemnt as a current problem to be solved/solvable. I'm getting mild Dingo vibes off Ash but am also very aware that Ash has V and E moments like this, so I'm going to chalk this down to a moderately place and keep him in PoE. Which...leaves me with a DeTess, Mat, Archer headache. Of course it does >> I don't really know I feel one way or another about Mat. I'd agree about the defensiveness but I think that triggers often enough I don't feel I am capable of reliably identifying when it's V!Mat or E!Mat getting triggered. It's one of those cases where I sort of see the reasons for the train yet sort of don't really feel it, I think. I need to go re-read some E!Mat games actually :| Gonna say this about DeTess: my current read of MR63 actually makes me feel positive about DeTess. So I'm not sure. Comes down to DeTess going for the LHF there, which doesn't feel like her strategy here. I can close-read her posts a bit more if my health holds up. With Archer, I think it's the seeming performativeness and profile that gets more, more than anything else. But worth a re-read. Guess I'm fine re-adding Ash to the list. I'm not sure I'm changing my vote but I'm not sure I'm comfortable staying either, so might as well work out who I'd be down for if not them. Edited to add: Eh whatever I'll spell it out. Concerned that Aman's WiM is missing. That tends to be more a V!Aman deal. The counterpoint is that he compensates for it as E!Aman by sitting on the thread like Smaug but I just kinda don't feel it at this juncture. Maybe it's just my processing the trauma from LG93, IDK >> Edited to add 2: Ah RIP missed Araris's post. God >> This is what I get for posting muddled.

Disengagement - MR63 had you offering reads and thoughts off the bat and I'd also come off reading LG92 (yep ) for a comparator of Sart and Steel, so I saw your E!posting style in that game as well. Clearly that was invalidated the moment you switched on engagement mode in that post. Though lbr, a village disengagement read often feelsbad anyway. Fair. I mean, DeTess did swap to player discussion eventually, even in MR63. I remember that one because of sussing Alpha for chaosplay (IIRC) which made me go ??? Had to happen either way. I will comment as well that my general impression of DeTess is that she likes to do rules analysis upfront, so IDK. That being said, I had her as nulls but am no longer sure as I might be upgrading my read slightly but need to think that impulse/thought through more. Yeah, as I've noted in response to Alpha, I'm not necessarily hard-committed and might prefer to give Alpha the benefit of the doubt at least for C1 just because it's rough to get sussed for trying to find a playstyle that agrees with you, but am also still reading MR63, so my views may even shift with a more complete picture of the game. To be fair, I'm overstating it a bit. But one key tell I've noticed of V!Steel is that he tends to be very dgaf and tends to get E!read for that. E!Steel tends to care more about how he is perceived and as a result, can fall into presenteeism. Cf. LG92, where he showed up in thread, voted, and contributed to the discussion on mass roleclaiming. The comparator here is AG9 - he did show up and vote but generally showed very little interest in early cycles. Also outright stated that he just wasn't gonna. You could argue he was fairly unapologetic about RL in LG80, which is true, but he also showed up and voted C1 at the end of it. Steel References: I am aware of a second V!Steel tell I'd be watching for, but I'm ok with a or more modest read for the moment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thought you were referencing LG93.

Slightly want to read this TBH. But wary of this in a player of DeTess's venerable experience >> Edited to add: Fair, and I'm not necessarily hard-committed to your train. I think there's a balance I have to strike between suspicion and letting you figure your style out without killing you for it. I'm also only on p5 of the MR, and am continuing to read. However, I've highlighted my issues and I'll summarise briefly: it's less of specifically a stylistic change and more a change in how much you're engaging with the game. I think there's a commonality in how much LG93 and MR63 Alpha engaged, and how much engagement was coming from you pre-pressure. Edited to add 2: If anything, one reason I wanted to flag this is the number of people who played MR63 and were like "yeah this is consistent." Maybe it's fresh eyes, or maybe I'm confbiasing but it doesn't feel consistent as an attitude to me. Which I think could be reflective of them as well.

Me, getting ninjaed by Mat just as I was editing in a one-liner about how I actually thought Mat was more likely to be contra Archer, and then Mat goes and invalidates my reasoning. Welp. Stay in the nulls to negatives then >> I can back this up. But I was waiting to see if anyone else would point it out. It's...never the case that Mat isn't defensive as Evil but he often is as a Villager, and it's not always easy to tell the difference between the two. I thought I had it once but figured I was wrong about it. Yeah, I'm seeing that as I'm reading the MR, but also that's not really Sart's take, IMO. Sart's take isn't about the avoidance of rules discussion here, but about DeTess not actually adding to the discussion but appearing to. Alongside other stuff. The truth is, I'm not suspicious of Alpha because of chaos play per se. FWIW, I don't think it's worth equating Alpha's LG93 play entirely with chaos play either (and am wary of attempts to do so) because what I was looking for was fundamentally an engagement mindset. I'm suspicious because Alpha's engagement mode here appears more performative than genuinely solvey - he joke votes you this game, he voted you off the bat in MR63 and instantly substantiated with reasons he felt you were suspicious. Sure, you can say that's weird, but I feel like that just demonstrates a different sort of engagement with the game and I don't feel comfortable eliding that at this point. Alpha C1: Not much different from joke-vote on you, I agree. But look at this: Instant substantiation on request, willing to be helpful. More engagement here. Agreed, it's on request, but you're not really seeing this level of responsiveness or at least attempt at thought IMO. My main issue is the +1ing feels performative in the context of this game. And Alpha explicitly has zero suspicions and is a lot more vote shy - I asked about voting Steel precisely for that reason. There's also the question of how much credit I want to give the Steel read. I'm of the view Steel is both and LHF. I made a Steel vote to see if I could bait takers, but got overexcited after reading C1 and sort of just decided to go for it. I am open to changing my mind if I see different play as I continue reading MR63, but that's where I am now. Because this is Steel's meta, mate And you're recognising it. Two things: I do think there's a difference, but I kind of don't feel the particular difference TJ is pointing out justifies a difference in read. My issue with TJ is just more or less IDK whether I'm jumping too fast to give him any denomination read, but that's a C1 issue anyway so whatever. Yes, he voted Archer. Concerned Dingo vibes a bit. BRO YOU WERE THE GM >> Edited to add: Oh hell I stopped partway through C1. Just resumed reading. Check this out: Like...look. I genuinely feel that as of now, the Kas reading at this point in the cycle, that there is a clear shift in terms of responsiveness, proactiveness, and willingness to be helpful in response to questions. And what I'm seeing here is a lot of performativity and that doesn't sit well with me. That sort of attitude shift feels like it's explained by a difference in alignment between the two games. I'm happy to have my view changed as I don't really want to be going after a LHF or punishing a new player for struggling to find his feet. But this is where I'm at.

I. No. Aloha. Can be persuaded to vote DeTess as well. Reading MR63 now and the difference already jumps out at me.

Hmm, fair enough. I definitely get it's a thing to get used to. If I've time, I'm gonna go back and actually read the MR to do an Aloha comparison. Maybe the LG, dunno. Time >> Wasn't that Mobborn, i.e. pseudo-Village Mat? How so? Tfw I agree with Archer's Sart read but IDK what to think about Archer xD Let's temper that Steel.

What would you consider enough to really go off, given your willingness to vote on previous C1s?

I don't know, you make it sound like I wanted a specific response. I just wanted anything that helped me develop a clearer read on you (bonus if anyone else comments in a way that's readable) as I'd always like more data and I'm well aware you have a tendency to appear Evil given your player bracket, which can confound developing an early read on you. Given I had pretty good reason to believe V!you in LG93 and still theorised you could be Evil because I couldn't get over your votes. I commented about it as much to certain players when noting in the just-finished MR that I was wary of DeTess for pushing you as it felt very LHF. I'm currently still fine with a read. Well, yes and no. I do see the major issues Village-side being timestamping vote movements (we don't have that info here unlike in a standard game) and in terms of getting an accurate read on train size or actual commitment, since this can be widespread. But that last statement is very much E!Kas talking when Orlok, Striker, and I didn't know if Striker could or couldn't be saved due to unclarity about Village commitment. Wonderful, thank you <3 This is tripping a flag for me. I'm not going to elaborate right this moment as I want to return to this discussion later in this post and I think Devo has said some other things and if the rest of the thread ain't showed up, they ain't gonna. Are we sure Araris hasn't hacked Sart's account? Asking. Hmm, ok. I'll be fair, my current read of you is maybe half a or somewhere in territory. But that's okay as I think I know a V!you tell and will be watching for it. At any rate, I have to believe I am capable of reading you correctly one way or another, otherwise I might as well lie down and let the Elims cut out my throat right here and now. Why do you think this is an important distinction? Because truth to be told, I don't disagree with the fact I think they're different, I'm just struggling to understand your mindset/train of thought. Oh urgh I missed Devo's post didn't I. Ok. Figured I'd mention part of my motivation for specifically instigating discussion of VitC as compared to say, insanity mech is because I have a strong memory of being Elim in QF59 which had an anon voting mech and I'm aware of my mindset and my team's mindset that game, so I wanted to pick through responses/thoughts about VitC looking for players who might have shared the same headspace. To save y'all the trouble trawling (though anyone curious about any sleight-of-hand on my part is free to check C1 of that game - focus on what I say, what Orlok says, and what Striker says) - the short is that we tried to blend in and didn't want to pick any risky positions. We really kept agreeing with everyone about anon voting being Evil af and the need for accountability and let people like Maili and (I think Archer? Ash?) be controversial. I don't really believe VitC is a perfect analogue for anon voting mech but it's a fairly close fit (the main issue here of course is the Day action cost and the 20% failure chance.) So I was looking through the thread to try to get a sensing of the different positions that developed: Evil-leaning: -Mat -Archer -Sart It Depends: -Aman -DeTess Not As Advertised: -Devo -TJ -Technically me Here's the issue: I think the 'Evil-leaning' position is sensible enough that some Villagers are likely to show up there. I also think this is the most intuitive place for an Elim to go. I started out being sus about Mat and Archer for showing up in that bloc, but after further thought, I still sort of maintain that position but as a loose 'I don't think everyone in that bloc is pure' sort of way. I think what's more informative about the positions here is that I sort of want to ascribe both Devo and TJ light for taking the counter-intuitive positions of downgrading VitC in terms of usefulness. I don't feel that's the most intuitive place to stake a claim as an Elim because it's likely to be questioned. Sart, ironically, shifted my view somewhat, as reading his post just gave me a Village vibe for reasons I can't really explain. I thought it was the tone issue - V!Sart is noticeably more strongly emotive in choice of words than E!Sart, but it's odd I want to gut Village read Sart when: 1. The language of the post doesn't support my judgement that it's emotive: 2. I actually hesitate because I feel the perspective in this paragraph is more than : I don't understand how this bit works. Because yes, but unless you have a Village full of Amans and Drakes ready to gambit (>> - AG judgement here leaking through soz <3) I don't feel that it is substantively difficult to get a feel for the thread by reading the thread. As Seraphimon, I have every interest in being transparent about my views because if I die I at least want to give people my best to go off, assuming they backread which I know is a very major assumption in these dark days of SE Sure there's some room for Village play in terms of being tricky, making switches, downplaying certain suspicions, but usually a Villager will clarify soonest possible. I feel that struggling to get a feel for the thread substantively affects Elims more because your bread and butter is built on understanding the thread. Ah, screw me. Very reluctant . I don't want to upgrade it at this point because I don't like rewarding people for looking with reads >> Between Archer and Mat, I'm probably a bit more wary of Archer as I feel that Archer just seems a bit more performative there. I don't substantively agree with the differentiation between DeTess and Aman - I just don't have a strong read of either at this juncture, and Aman saying it comes down to results and accountability is technically true and I agree and I said as much but it still stokes my goddamned paranoia of Aman. I'm going to sigh, take a deep breath, and remind myself Aman is my bro and I wanna be fair to Threadbro and move on >> FWIW if it's E!Aman and E!TJ just feckin' kill me now please I cannot. If it's E!Araris as well I will just lie down and give up on life >> Are you gonna vote him then? :eyes: Presume you are sus of Steel then? I'll just note that it's one of the great tragedies of SE that people tend to make that assumption especially right before seeing one of my disaster Elim games, but my skills as an Elim are notoriously asymmetrical to my Village play in the worst possible way Which isn't saying much about my Village play but says volumes about my Elim play. At this point, I've sort of just given up on trying. I don't really care to say more in the sense that I'm not invested in whether you want to believe this or not. Certainly as I'm saying this in the context of a game, it should be taken with a pinch of salt. That being said, I cannot count the amount of grief I've gotten in SE games because GMs don't want to believe I can't Elim and put me in positions expecting me to be able to do it and then I stress out/blank out/snap and crem happens so it's in my interests to say it repeatedly whenever someone brings this up, even if most people are 'lol k Kas' about it and then shocked Pikachu when I do in fact have a disaster Elim game as a result of this attitude ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sure, in an ideal world we'd be equally talented at playing every position but sadly we do not live in an ideal world or I'd've gotten more Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure tri. wouldn't be such a disaster but I digress I am currently okay voting in the <Aloha, Archer> set. I don't have strong feelings about DeTess but would need more persuading to back that sort of push. Araris, TJ, Aman, Devo, Sart, Alv are non-starters for me at this point. Do we know if Fae and Telrao (RIP both) are going to be replaced, @Elandera? Edited to add: Forgot JNV also chimed in. Filing JNV as non-committal, and have a hesitant read on them. J/k essentially light/hesitant at this juncture, but Kiwimon's the closest thing to a quokka I can offer Quokka Buddy.

Nope. I saw Aman vote for a player I was feeling ??? about and figured I should just go for it. I do also think there's a certain psychological effect to watching two votes go down in rapid succession that's worth just watching for in the thread. I don't really expect this to work on every player but had wondered if I could elicit more of a response from a player as new as Aloha.

You'll be happy to know I am taking it at face value The woes of being present in thread at an hour where the NAs don't wish to appear I feel like it's a fair question to be asking when he has at least in part singled out DeTess for reasons that IMO can be just as readily applied to you. There are definitely rejoinders TJ can make to that point, but I don't care to provide them for him when the point is to understand what he's thinking. And what sort of mindset that emerges from. Hmm. I just felt one can't mention ties without invoking you, good sir