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I would love to see a Mistborn game, but I feel it would be very difficult. How would a player chose which metals they are using/flaring? How would they control pushes and pulls on metal to fly through the city? Mistborn aren't Spider-man after all. A Stormlight Archive game I feel would be much more feasible. There is already a PSP game in existence where the main character changes what direction gravity is for herself. Programming powers for illusion (lightweavers), skating (edgedancers), transformation (lightweavers/elsecallers), teleportation (elsecallers), and regrowth (edgedancers, truthwatchers) wouldn't be difficult at all. In fact I hope a stormlight archive game would come out first for this reason, to potentially draw a following, and thereby studios would invest further to come up with a way to employ the mistborn powers in the mistborn game that would hopefully come afterwards.

Isn't that what the Lord Ruler technically did with the inquisitors.......

Sorry to bring seriousness to a fun thread, but how would the Lord Ruler anchor the bendaloy bubble to the sleigh when Brandon said the bubbles are anchored to the planet? I'm not asking to disprove your concept, but to see if any new information that I haven't heard has arisen that would make this possible. I always like learning new things

I don't know, that would be interesting to find out but I feel it would have been mentioned during the Bloody Tan scene. In a life and death situation, usually you use all the resources you have at your disposal. Guns and lack of mistborns have in my opinion, somewhat leveled the playing field for those with no abilities and those that do. Before if a normal person had to go toe to toe with a thug, the likelihood of the normal person winning is very small. Now with guns, you can do massive damage and depending on the weapon skill isn't as much of a requirement (shotgun to a pewter thugs face for instance). This doesn't mean people with abilities don't have some great advantages, but a woman who really knows how to use a gun, and is skilled in the life in the Roughs, I could see surviving without an ability. One of the big things with Brandon's magic systems are limitations afterall, so I could totally see him showing examples of people with no powers at all, being able to handle themselves against magic users (hazekillers for instance). As to how Tan got her, that is all sorts of speculation. Could other men have wounded her, and Tan took advantage? Could she got lulled in a false sense of security, since they knew Tan hates to use guns, but since the moment was important to him, he was willing to use one on her and thus surprised her? Did he have the abilities we posit, and used speed, or precognition in order to disable her? The only hint we have are the bullet holes and her losing blood, which Wax makes a point to point out. That is an excellent point that I completely forgot, so that crosses of pewter as a possibility. Upvote for that That is a possibility. Which leads me to another question for anyone that knows metallurgy. Lets say you make an alloy, bendalloy for instance. Is there anyway to separate the alloys out and make something else from the parts? Or maybe he used bendalloy plus another metal to make a completely different alloy that allows him to read minds. Upvote as well lol I don't know, that still doesn't feel like Harmony/Sazed to me. I mean hell, Harmony made a big deal about leaving Wax's chest with all his stuff exactly where he needed it so he could be armed and fight the robbers. He acted like he was breaking his own rules doing that alone. If simply moving a chest to be in the right place at the right time is so against what he is, then killing 5 innocent people to accomplish a goal and then saving 5 orphan kids doesn't seem to fit in my mind. I could see if MAYBE the individuals were going to die anyway, but still to chose a gruesome death at the hand of Bloody Tan for them just to further his own goals? That just isn't Harmony to me.

I don't really see Mr.T saving the world in his idiotic state either, but a point could be made in that favor due to: So is it really so far fetched that somehow in his idiotic state, that Mr. T couldn't do, or mistakenly do something that would save the world? Now in my opinion, I could see his boon and curse being the same. His boon is to save the world, his curse is to be the villian that causes all this chaos and problems, that by trying to kill Dalinar, and Kaladin and so on, ends up bringing together the people that will ACTUALLY save the world. So he does save the world, but by unknowingly bringing together the people who will do the deed, not actually him.

Great minds think alike

Ah! I did not know that! So then that adds implications to Hoid's character. We've always known his moral compass was one of dubious quality, but if he was friends with an individual who he stated himself always was sneaky and a horrible person, one wonders how Hoid himself once was........

Excellent point. Hell it could even be argued that Hoid never met Rayse and what went down was like what happened with: So that could have happened with Hoid. Lol I am really looking forward to finding out all the intricacies Brandon has planned for our dear Wit.

Exactly, which is why I am leaning towards Bloody Tan being a steel ferring. I love this thread because it causes us to really question how these abilities (some of which we haven't even seen yet), actually function. For instance I have been giving the luck misting a lot of thought and the more I think about it, the more I am convinced he wasn't a luck misting. I could see being lucky manifesting with Wax getting sweat in his eyes, and missing, or Lessie sneezing at the wrong time moving her head into the way of the bullet, but knowing where to move Lessie for her to get hit instead of him? That strikes me as either precognition or physical speed. Brandon has stated that Marsh has the last of the atium, and personally I do not see Marsh funding Bloody Tan allomantically. So from my perspective at least, I feel it really comes down to three possibilities: Steel Ferring - reacts to Wax pulling the trigger, thinking he is about to be shot, taps speed while Wax waits for Lessie to blink, thereby having the reaction time and speed to put her in the way. Electrum Misting - reacts to Wax pulling the trigger, thinking he is about to be shot, burns electrum and sees just how he needs to move Lessie and when to start moving her just so she is shot instead of him. Pewter Misting - reacts to Wax pulling the trigger, thinking he is about to be shot, burns pewter giving him increased agility and reflexes while Wax is waiting for Lessie to blink, giving him the speed and reaction time to move Lessie into the path of the bullet. He dies from Wax after the fact because Thug or not, bullet to the brain pan is gonna put you down lol. Obviously this is all still conjecture but that is the picture that comes to my mind at least.

Anyone have any thoughts, or theories on this? It is obviously a big deal given how many times Dalinar stares off in that direction and how everyone believes it is the source of the highstorms. Also:

Or maybe knew OF each other. Like I know of the president of the United States, and I know a friend of mine in England, doesn't mean I have met them, or are on speaking terms with them, just that I know who they are.

Right, for instance it doesn't make you "smarter", but something that would have taken you 3 hours to figure out with your current level of intelligence, instead takes 10 minutes. You access your current level of intelligence over time in a shorter burst.

I need to re-read more, and do some more research, but what if you fold the orders chart in half like a book? Then the dragons might look more like the head and jaw of a chasmfiend? This may be a stretch but in the books it has hinted that there is more going on with the chasmfiends especially due to the gemhearts and the spren that follow them. What if when you fold it that way, there are interactions or reasons the orders line up the way they do in THAT case? Windrunners and Stonewardens, Willshapers and Skybreakers, Elsecallers and Dustbringers, Lighterweavers and Edgedancers? My theory is very loose but anyone see any merit to it or could expand on it? edit: oh oh! and that might also explain why there is a crystal in the other chart, it would be the "gemheart" of the chasmfiend. Again a stretch I know, but maybe there is something to it?

I THINK the Ryshadium might be another clue that Adolin is becoming a radiant. It has been mentioned in the books that it is VERY difficult to bond with one, and is very rare. It has also been hinted by Brandon that the radiants have done something to breed them. Now when I say hinted, I mean more along the lines of someone asking those questions and he stating they are thinking in the right direction. So although admittedly shardblades and shardplate can be used without being a radiant, I think that would be harder/impossible to do with a living animal. Maybe Ryshadium only bond with people who exhibit traits that could bond a spren? Just a thought.

AH HA! I found it! So there is too much to write/quote but there is a spot that shows in my opinion that Sazed used only his steelminds to run, not combined with zinc. It is in the Well of Ascension, pages 210 and 211. He mentions dropping his last steelmind, while the rest of metalminds were in the pack he was carrying. Now it could be pointed out that he states he discards the less valuable/less full ones so one can assume he used and tossed a zinc band, but there is one problem in my mind with this. on the very next page (page 211), he states: "It was midday; if that army had scouts, Sazed would have a very difficult time getting around it. In addition, his steelminds were empty. He wouldn't be able to run from pursuit" He didn't drop steel AND zinc at the beginning of the scene, and he didn't mention that his steelminds AND zinc were empty preventing escape. In both cases he only mentions steel. The implication I take from this is that you only need steel to run. Even if it is said that maybe he had more zinc stored than steel, I would imagine he would say something to the effect of "although he still had plenty of zinc left, his steelminds were empty" or "his zinc and steelminds were empty" or "his zinc was running low and steelminds completely empty". I feel if zinc was so important in being able to use steel, Sanderson wouldn't have just left that out, especially considering how precise he typically is (though obviously he is fallible and has made mistakes, Elantris's chasm for instance) Btw, sorry for the double post!

I don't know about anyone else, and it has been a little while since I read the book, but I feel someone with the nickname Professor basically, would be a highschool teacher. If that is the case, then the main character would count as a child, and thereby his powers would have been voided from being around him, or when he almost lost control and nearly attacked him. Even if Prof wasn't a highschool teacher, what age would you define as "children"? It is a cool theory, just don't see it really working.

LOL you got me one minute earlier.

I don't know, I feel on some level you would have to be able to comprehend moving at speed for it to be of any use at all. Otherwise Sazed would have tripped over himself countless times running back to the city to save Vin. Kind of like how Wax's body "strengthens" in order to handle the increased weight and not collapse in on itself. I interpret mental speed as like I said computational. So you hear a gun shot, you come to the conclusion that a gun was shot. Ah! Kind of like Sherlock next to Watson. He is able to deduce more, faster than others. But from what little I know of the human body and the article I read regarding the speed of thought, I don't think it would have the affect you both imply. But that is just my own opinion, I admittedly know very little regarding zinc and its use. Just my own interpretation so you both may have me there. edit: Ack, just realized another flaw in my thinking. Sazed was a full feruchemist, so assuming zinc works as you both posit, he could have run to save Vin by tapping BOTH steel and zinc. So that would then not be a valid example. I still feel as I do though, just need to think of a better reason lol

Sorry, to clarify based on the quote, this is how i see things going down: "Wax sighted down the barrel of his Sterrion. He drew the trigger until he balanced the weight of the sear right on the edge of firing,(Bloody Tan seeing that Wax has draw the trigger back, thinking he is about to be shot taps speed) and Lessie Blinked, One (huuuuuuuge amount of time from sped up Bloody Tan perspective). Two. (huuuuuuuuuge amount of time from sped up Bloody Tan perspective) Three.(Bloody Tan possibly wondering why wax hasn't fired yet) Wax Fired.(ah here we go, Bloody Tan sees bullet slowly flying out of gun, time to move Lessie) In the same instant, Tan yanked Lessie to the right" edit: basically I am saying Tan thinking he is about to be shot, could have reacted to the initial pulling of the trigger which would have the delay you mentioned, but still have been ahead of Lessie blinking. Wax didn't just sight and fire, he sighted, pulled it a bit, and then after the three blinks fired. 2nd edit: sorry just had another thought. Is there any WOB on how zinc functions? Because in my opinion it would work differently. Yes you would be able to calculate, come to conclusions, or recognize things faster, but scientists have proven the speed of thought isn't quick as fast as we think. That the travel through the nerves would actually slow down the reaction, and in order to have a reaction speed worth anything, you would need a nerve canal(sorry blanking on the term) that is the size of a human body. So does zinc affect the entire nervous system somehow, or just the brain given the mental moniker?

I think everyone is making this overly complicated. Wax was surprised that Bloody Tan did what he did because there were no reports of him being a misting, or ferring. So Bloody Tan could have either concealed the fact, or gained a power through hemalurgy. Besides Sazed using speed in the original trilogy, we never see it being used. All it describes is Sazed running really fast to cover a lot of ground to get back to the city. So we don't know how someone tapping speed looks. Do they blur? Do they look like they are on crack? Or if they remain stationary can you even tell that they are tapping it in that moment? So who is to say that Bloody Tan wasn't accessing the speed the entire time slightly to be able to pick up on Wax firing the gun, and then more so to move her. Feruchemists can chose how much speed they access over how much time. He could have just ramped up to that point. Does anyone know if through WOB or in a book if it is stated how much time is elapsed between a feruchemist mentally deciding to access an ability and it actually happening? Because if all it takes is the thought, he could very well logically decided to do it once Wax pulls the trigger and still have plenty of time to move her in the way. Also Tan could have been a pewter thug. They move faster, and have better reaction times. And finally Bloody Tan could be as mentioned chromium luck bender. Any of those three could have worked. I still don't think he is a slider though given the bubble because Wax has caught Wayne using his bubble from the outside and stated it could be missed if a person wasn't PAYING ATTENTION. I disagree with a normal person being able to accomplish that. Someone above already wrote quite well mathematically why it wouldn't work, and there was a mythbusters episode that delved into that topic. About how far away you would have to be to theoretically dodge a bullet. I will give it to you that they were discussing sniper rifles, but I think the logic still applies. edit: also i just re-read the passage and to those that comment about the same instant, here is a quote from the book: "Wax sighted down the barrel of his Sterrion. He drew the trigger until he balanced the weight of the sear right on the edge of firing, and Lessie Blinked, One. Two. Three. Wax Fired. In the same instant, Tan yanked Lessie to the right" Tan could have seen Wax draw the trigger in preparation, and prepared himself with any of the above abilities, for when after the 3 blinks Wax fired. Tan wouldn't have needed to know their history to realize Wax was about to fire.

Although I don't think it will go that way, I still feel this is an awesome theory, and I wish it would work out that way. One of the reasons I disagree is Steris has a problem with Wax in the beginning because of his "uncouth" manner. Ranette doesn't strike me as the "dignified" type. I think Steris's abhorance of Wax is asexual, more focused on how he acts rather than his gender, which would render Ranette not an option. In my opinion at least. But it is very clever, and would be an awesome reveal.

here's a question, would the dularium just increase the time slowed, or the size of the bubble as well? If that is the case, considering the size of the bubble currently, you may have to dig pretty deep and BIG.

So to ring in on the Bloody Tan and Lessie debate. I am in the camp that thinks he was NOT a slider. One person pointed out Wax is familiar with Wayne sliding numerous times by that point so could have recognized it. Another person stated he only saw it from inside so wouldn't see it. This in my opinion is incorrect, Wax saw Wayne slide when Wayne visited Wax during the first introduction with Steris. Wayne changed his appearance and Wax commented during his internal monologue that there is a shimmer or distortion in the air that occurs during a slide and that if someone isn't paying attention, it could be easily missed. I think it's safe to say Wax was completely paying attention/focused on Bloody Tan and Lessie. I have a theory of my own. Why can't Bloody Tan just be a steel ferring? He stored speed before the meeting, and tapped it when Wax shot allowing him to react and move fast enough to position Lessie. As to finding bracers on the body after, who is to say he didn't implant them somewhere in his body? He knew enough about the human body to taxidermy them, would implantation of metals be so far fetched? Just my own two cents.

yeah when i started the thread i included the multiple books part because hoid figures in pretty big here, and he is pretty much everywhere lol

So a thought I had as to why the Elantians we see dissolve in the pool. Elantian magic is weaker the further away from Elantris you get right? So lets look at the order of events. Because the magic wasn't working right, Elantians didn't change completely/heal as they should. They get grievously injured and lose their mind from the pain. The injuries they have by this point are so great, it would kill anyone mortal. What if when you go through the portal, thus going to another world, you are so far away from Elantris that the magic doesn't work at ALL. You become mortal. Now you have all these wounds that should have killed you still as an Elantian but now you are mortal and then you croak. Or this occurs during the transition, and maybe the heod is so mad they cant focus on a destination so they disintegrate, kind of shooting off in all directs persay. This lends me to a theory i just had about Galladon in the stormlight archive. He looks dark skinned, which if he wasn't an Elantian is how he should have looked kolo? So what if by world hopping, he became human again? So there is no illusion in place to make him look normal, cause on another planet he IS normal.