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After thinking about it that’s my thought as well and I suspect thinking about this and talking to Hesina about his fathers thoughts will lead to him finally being able to accept he can’t save everyone and swear his fourth oath.

What on earth would Pattern's viewpoint be like? How odd do you think he sees the world?

The thousand Listeners that escaped are Roshars best hope. A way to bind the humans and Singers together against Odium, the true enemy

It's also possible Dalinar has secretly suspended Kaladin from fighting for gambling on battles (;

Was she always like this, is it due to her being too young, or is it from her long years spent living as a windspren?

Something that could have easily been edited out for this special release to avoid spoilers...

Is Kaladin Michael Jordan-ing? After Michael Jordan's father died, he quit basketball for a time to play baseball, the sport his father always wanted him to play. Eventually he came back to basketball. Has Lirin died and in his guilt and grief has Kaladin abandoned fighting to become a surgeon as he thinks he needs to make amends to his father? This could all be part of his journey to the fourth Ideal. He failed to protect his father and he's still struggling with his failure here.

I think some theorize that our ten main characters (Kaladin, Shallan, Dalinar, Venli, Szeth /break/ Lift, Renarin, Taln, Ash, and Jasnah) are the new ten members of the oathpact with Taln reprizing his role and Ash moving from Lightweaver to Dustbringer.

Or Dalinar uses his power to do it

Neither the Fused nor Odium care what happens to the land or the people, the Radiants do. The Radiants are also bound by oaths that prevent them from behaving dishonorably making them poor at pillaging

The part with Dalinar was cut off in mine... ): I fixed it, thanks for the advice

A. that's your speculation not confirmed, it could mean something else. B. it hasn't happened yet so you can't mark it as belonging to Odium The Irians invaded Rira and babatharnam and occupied them already by the ending of Oathbringer

I wonder if it's from her extended time spent being like a windspren

I'm guessing Peakspren are the spren of Stone, so Stonewards

Is Kaladin only a surgeon now? Has he rejected everything else or is he just acting as a surgeon between missions while he's in the tower? I'm really hoping we don't get an ark where Bridge 4 refuses to fight at all because the humans "stole the land"

Was it when Aladar shows up for the march onto the plains?

But the enemy is Odium, not the Singers. Using Odious tactics against him is self defeating as he will just use the hate and anger that a scorched earth style war engenders to make himself more powerful, fuel retributions, and bring more people to Odium.

I meant only that Radiants oaths and purpose for being tend to bind them all to to the same overall goal, even if they disagree about how to achieve it. At least in the past. Otherwise I don't think you understood what I meant at all. My comments were specifically about the Radiants ruling with a council of the heads of orders instead of following a bondsmith like a king. Although we already know from the exchange between Jasnah and kaladin that Radiants can have very different views about proper conduct in a war.

I suppose they could steal weapons and break war machines, but I don't think they'd go for stealing food.

Why did you mark New Natanatan as Odium's forces? It's part of Dalinar's coalition. Why the Horneater peaks? We don't know they're occupied on this side. Why did you mark Aimia at all? Isn't it abandoned? Why didn't you mark Rira and Babatharnam as occupied by the Irians?

What do the Fused care what you do to the land. “They break the land itself! They want it, but in their rage they will destroy it. Like the jealous man burns his rich things rather than let them be taken by his enemies! They come!”

Windrunners make great infiltrators, but terrible raiders. Windrunners could never execute a scorched earth plan. One thing I'd love to see in the end of book 4 is a Shin force riding out of the mountains to conquer the world again led by the honor blades and all mounted on warhorses.

Venli is acting almost entirely on her own though, against the will of the council of five. The culture as a whole wished to avoid bring back their gods, but one Listerner wished them to come back and unleashed the storm upon the world.

Not necessarily, in the real world there have been wars run by councils or committees. Most of the wars after the french revolution were led by committees who assigned generals to various commands. This is more practical for the radiants as they are all held to more vigorous oaths than normal humans. If the council of orders did choose to appoint a supreme commander for a conflict then I believe that it wasn't always a bondsmith. If the only bondsmith at the time was to the sibling and was more focused on Urithiru, or the only bondsmith was young and there was a 70 year old stone-ward with 50 years experience as an officer and a Radiant than I'm sure the Stoneward would be given command.

The knights didn't rule over civilians except those who lived in Urithiru, nor were they purely a military organization, nor is it clear they did anything to meddle in the religious affairs of anyone outside of their order. I'm sure their primary concern when meeting between themselves was preparation for desolations, confronting the Singers and Fused, and inter-order relations. Just because one is a windrunner doesn't mean one is solely concerned with military matters, nor is being a Elsecaller mean one is content to be a scholar and give council. I doubt the knights consented to completely confine themselves to "their area" and I'm sure each order had individual knights with different interests and styles. The different relative sizes of the orders also likely played a part in their dynamic. I get the sense that there weren't very many Truthwatchers while there were a significant number of Stonewards and Windrunners. I'm sure giving out military commands to various knights was highly contentious and several orders pressed their own members forward to be given precedence. I'm sure depending on the situation that Stonewards, Willshapers, Elsecallers, Windrunners, Dustbringers, or Skybreakers demanded the command of various missions. Different Bondsmiths (and the different three spren) likely had different styles and views on their role. Some may have seen themselves as councilors, others as problem solvers, others as judges, others as conciliators or peace-makers, while still others as leaders of the knights. Our view of Dalinar as the leader of the current knights is complicated by the reality that he is the oldest knight with the most pre-existing terrestrial power and the most leadership experience. Him being Kaladin's commanding officer pre-dates either's role as a Knight Radiant.