Shardcast: The Horneaters


It's time for a very loopy and entertaining podcast on the Horneaters. We talk about their origins, their culture, Rock and his mysteries, and more. And it is sometimes a little silly sometimes. This week we have Eric (Chaos), Ian (WeiryWriter), Evgeni (Argent), and Shannon (Grey).

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Karger

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A few things

The King of the Horneaters being permitted to lead people into battle and being responsible for wining a shardblade reminds me of Arthurian kings who are always responsible for personally fixing problems.  This says to me that if Rock does show up with a shardblade people will not just declare him king out of a sense of him earning it but also because they want to have someone who they can make solve their problems.

Shallan mentions that red hair is classically a Vorin hair color but that they do know that this is because of horneater blood.  This implies a date of intermixing that is after the final desolation.

During his chapter Rock and Kaladin talk about fighting a war and Rock states pretty flatly that people are going to die regardless or the power that bridge four wields.  This is a lesson that Kaladin can't except yet.  No matter how good you are you can loose.  It seems like Rock learned this one the hard way.

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Gilphon

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Some notes: The linguistic groupings imply to me that the Horneaters have been a thing for significantly longer than the Herdazians. Like, modern day Herdaz being mainland Resher in the Silver Kingdoms era suggests that the Reshi who didn't live on islands intermarried with Singers and became Herdazians- so they're probably a thing that happened after the Oathgates were built. But Horneater being in the same family as Shin implies that that happened very early on.

Veden mixing with Horneater means that Shallan has some distant Singer ancestry. Which is makes me think of her multiple personalities in the context of Singer forms. Like they change forms when they need to change skill sets, and Shallan switches to whichever personality she imagines has the skills she needs at any given moment. Could they be her Singer blood expressing itself, or am I thinking too hard?

I wonder what happened to the Rock novella. Like surely Brandon doesn't still intend to write and release it before Rhythm of War, right? So surely either he's folded that content into Rhythm of War, or things have been rewritten such that it no longer 'needs' to happen before RoW. 

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Karger

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15 hours ago, Gilphon said:

I wonder what happened to the Rock novella. Like surely Brandon doesn't still intend to write and release it before Rhythm of War, right? So surely either he's folded that content into Rhythm of War, or things have been rewritten such that it no longer 'needs' to happen before RoW. 

It is still a possibility.  The shorter the writing the faster it can be produced.  It is kind of like an inverse square law in terms of time. 

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The Last Post

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New headcanon: horneaters war in the CR through perpendicularities

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The hornstorm. So that's how humans and singers ended up creating the horneaters. Easy. 

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Curious.  Do we know what the perpendicularity looks like from the Cognitive Realm side?

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Oh hey that's me! I was perhaps a little too obscure on my first submission.    :lol:

1 hour ago, TheWadehart said:

Curious.  Do we know what the perpendicularity looks like from the Cognitive Realm side?

I don't think that we do? Honor's perpendicularity looked like a pillar of light to Kaladin, Shallan, and Adolin, and the Well of Ascension looked like that as well when Kelsier first came to it. Maybe they generally look like that in the Cognitive Realm?

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Rask

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I really want SA4 to give us the Herdazian creation myth, it would be super cool and imformative to compare it to the Horneater one and find the similarities.  

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On ‎1‎/‎13‎/‎2020 at 9:07 PM, Rask said:

I really want SA4 to give us the Herdazian creation myth, it would be super cool and imformative to compare it to the Horneater one and find the similarities.  

Though they seem to be somewhat more secular, and they certain have major differences from the Alethi and Vedens in practices, the Herdazians are broadly speaking Vorin, so presumably their creation myth is the same as the Vorin one. What I really want to know is the Shin creation myth.

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