An Inkspren Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) We learn that in RoW, there is a possibility that Hoid lost his Investiture. While I've seen it debated whether he got tricked by Odium or not (or the other way around), I don't think this matters. Mistborn Era 2 is after Stormlight 1-5 (Chronology here), and Hoid shows up, which means he's alright. Am I the only one who noticed this? To be fair, Hoid's cameos were brief so maybe he isn't totally fine, but he was able to get out of Roshar. Edit: should have posted this in cosmere discussion Edited September 28, 2021 by An Inkspren 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, An Inkspren said: We learn that in RoW, there is a possibility that Hoid lost his Investiture. While I've seen it debated whether he got tricked by Odium or not (or the other way around), I don't think this matters. Mistborn Era 2 is after Stormlight 1-5 (Chronology here), and Hoid shows up, which means he's alright. Am I the only one who noticed this? To be fair, Hoid's cameos were brief so maybe he isn't totally fine, but he was able to get out of Roshar. Edit: should have posted this in cosmere discussion Hoid is totally fine. He just lost some of his breaths. He did get completely tricked by Odium, but he just lost a couple breaths at most. His immortality and other powers are totally fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoey she/her Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Yeah, he is fine. Just got some of his short-term memories erased and lost his Heightening. Nothing majour, But still showed what subtle things he is capable of doing with Taravangian's intellect and subtlety. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdoenLunnae Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 I panicked for a second the first time I read it, but yeah, as @Zoey noted, he just lost some breaths that he used for short-term memories, so the only permanent changes on him are the loss of his Heightening and of the information about Todium 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoey she/her Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 On 9/29/2021 at 11:55 AM, AdoenLunnae said: I panicked for a second the first time I read it, but yeah, as @Zoey noted, he just lost some breaths that he used for short-term memories, so the only permanent changes on him are the loss of his Heightening and of the information about Todium It still shows issues that could arise later with other things Todium could do. But this current thing is less something majour, and more a display of what he could possibly do later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII he/him Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 I think Hoid just had his short term memory taken, nothing extreme but just enough to knock him off the second heightening. Todium recognised he screwed up in their interaction and Hoid knew something was off so pushed reset on their interaction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tren Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) Im not entirely sure that hoid "lost short term mermories". the way I read the scene was he had memories stored in his breathes. Todium absorbed those breathes. However Hoid was playing around with coins during all of this. I know it hasn't been confirmed if hoid is a feruchemist or not but if he is he could have stored the memories in the coins as Todium absorbed the breathes. It would still cause him to lose those memories temporarily but as soon as he realizes his perfect pitch is gone from losing his heightening (breathes) he would just check his coins and regain the memories. Edited October 29, 2021 by Tren 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tglassy Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 I think Hoid knows exactly what happened. I think he keeps his Breaths right at the Heightening he needs to have Perfect Pitch, so if something like this happened, then he'd know, because his Perfect Pitch would be off. Odium, and especially Todium, wouldn't think about that. Todium thinks he's so clever, having taken Hoid's memories and then redid the conversation the way he thinks Hoid thinks it should have gone, but Hoid has a clue, and that clue is if ANY of his breaths go missing, he loses his Perfect Pitch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewsTherinTelescope Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 We know Hoid did get got: Quote Questioner My friends and I have been endlessly debating whether Wit knew what happened to him at the end of Rhythm, when he said "that went exactly as I planned," if he knew he was gonna get duped? Or if he got hornswoggled? Brandon Sanderson He legitimately got hornswoggled. One of the opening chapters of the next book is going to be him realizing that. There's a little teaser for you. But I'd guess that you're probably right about him keeping himself near a threshold to make it obvious something happened, even if he has no clue what. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner My friends and I have been endlessly debating whether Wit knew what happened to him at the end of Rhythm, when he said "that went exactly as I planned," if he knew he was gonna get duped? Or if he got hornswoggled? Brandon Sanderson He legitimately got hornswoggled. One of the opening chapters of the next book is going to be him realizing that. There's a little teaser for you.
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