Ishar's Experiments

[Zorben]

I have a theory about Ishar's experiments. First off, I believe the reason he is trying to bring spren physically into the physical realm is because this is a potential "cure" for Cognitive Shadows.

But my theory is more about the consequences of these specific experiments. I'm not sure where it was said, but there is a WOB saying that using hemalurgy to steal powers from a radiant would be difficult because the surges come from the bonded spren, not from the radiant themselves. But what if you were able to spike a spren directly?

I think that these physical spren will be spiked in the future to grant surges through hemalurgy. 

The experiments are already pretty dark, and I think it will only get darker....

Edited June 8, 2021 by Zorben

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

7 minutes ago, Zorben said:

I have a theory about Ishar's experiments. First off, I believe the reason he is trying to bring spren physically into the physical realm is because this is a potential "cure" for Cognitive Shadows.

But my theory is more about the consequences of these specific experiments. I'm not sure where it was said, but there is a WOB saying that using hemalurgy to steal powers from a radiant would be difficult because the surges come from the bonded spren, not from the radiant themselves. But what if you were able to spike a spren directly?

I think that these physical spren will used be spiked future to grant surges through hemalurgy. 

The experiments are already pretty dark, and I think it will only get darker....

this is a good theory, what if he is working with Kelsier, trying to help him return, then, it works, they bring him over resurrect him, and Kelsier opens with a hilarious line like, "this is more boring than I would have thought."

[CrypticSpren he/him]

I'm pretty sure there's a WOB saying Kelsier is stuck on Scadrial because his consciousness is anchored to Preservation's investiture. So as of now, I think we can say that Kelsier has not been brought over to Roshar, though Stormlight 2nd half may take place after Mistborn Era 2 so he could go over then.

But it's possible that someone spiked an Ishar-physical-bonded Inkspren (or cryptic/reacher; please don't spike me) and then brought the spike over to Scadrial. After all, Shallan has shown us that it's pretty easy to get a goblet's worth of blood pretty easily in Roshar.

[Leuthie]

Ash defaces art of herself. Her mental issues require her to do this. She was the Herald of beauty. Creativity. Honesty

Kalek is paranoid and erratic, and believes that Roshar is already lost. Resolute. Builder.

Taln is repeating a mantra and sitting staring into space. Dependable. Resourceful.

Jezrien was a drunk beggar, speaking gibberish. Protecting. Leading.

Nale spends his time killing budding Radiants for the crime of bonding spren, and helping Odium's forces because they are the righteous ones. Just. Confident.

Ishar acts as god and brings spren into the Physical realm. Pious. Guiding.

I think you're taking Ishar's experiments too seriously. He has as much purpose in doing what he's doing as Jezrien had. His madness has twisted his nature into becoming a god and guiding spren to the Physical realm. That's it.

 

[+Oltux72 he/him]

41 minutes ago, Leuthie said:

I think you're taking Ishar's experiments too seriously. He has as much purpose in doing what he's doing as Jezrien had. His madness has twisted his nature into becoming a god and guiding spren to the Physical realm. That's it.

But the symptom is new. He had been acting as god king for decades.

[Infinity Sliver]

5 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

But the symptom is new. He had been acting as god king for decades.

For all we know it's new,IIRC,The stormfather was adamant they gtfo. Maybe Dalinar left some radiants to do more snooping but we probably won't know till the next book the extent of Ishar's experiment.

[Leuthie]

7 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

But the symptom is new. He had been acting as god king for decades.

We don't know it's new. Even if it is, the coming of the Everstorm is a significant and related event that could easily trigger new psychoses in the functional Heralds. Also the death of Jezrien was directly felt and is significant.

I don't think Ishar's actions are specifically leading anywhere. He's (figuratively) scratching and clawing at his eyes like Shalash.

Edited June 9, 2021 by Leuthie

[Zorben]

22 hours ago, Leuthie said:

I don't think Ishar's actions are specifically leading anywhere. He's (figuratively) scratching and clawing at his eyes like Shalash.

Seems like a pretty disturbing scene to only be there for establishing Ishar's character, rather than an important plot point

[Halyo_Alex he/him]

1 hour ago, Zorben said:

Seems like a pretty disturbing scene to only be there for establishing Ishar's character, rather than an important plot point

Knowing Brandon, it's both, but the reveal of its importance will be just as shocking as the scene itself.

[Leuthie]

13 hours ago, Zorben said:

Seems like a pretty disturbing scene to only be there for establishing Ishar's character, rather than an important plot point

Not a whole lot of space to establish that character. Seems like that scene could just be an effective use of space. 1 page of prose tells us a lot about what Ishar is capable of and provides a little context to the difference between Cognitive and Physical beings (Physical beings can enter the Cognitive Realm but Cognitive beings can't enter the Physical). Doesn't really have to be more than that.

Edited June 11, 2021 by Leuthie