Thaidakar as a shard

[Dullform]

I was just wondering is there any confirmation that Thaidakar is Kelsier? I love the theory but in a recent cosmere spoiler stream Brandon explained avatars and from what he said it seems pretty clear that only shards can have avatars, so if Mraize is to be believed he tells Shalan that Thaidakar only comes to Roshar in "avatar form" does this mean that Thaidakar is one of the shards?

Edited June 7, 2021 by Dullform

[+CallsignZen she/her]

thaidakar as a shard is a genuinely terrifying concept. 

1 hour ago, Dullform said:

 

I was just wondering is there any confirmation that Thaidakar is Kelsier?

 

yes, this has been confirmed. 

1 hour ago, Dullform said:

only shards can have avatars

do we know this is true? it makes sense kind of, but i think cognitive shadows can have them too???? maybe 

[Dullform]

19 minutes ago, CallsignZen said:

yes, this has been confirmed. 

Cool, can you share the source?

For the record, this is what I was referring to https://youtu.be/A67G4ObX7CM?t=3933 

[Espella]

According to WoB Thaidakar doesn't actually have an avatar, he's stuck in Scadrial and just pretending to have an avatar using some method that hasn't been made canon yet (source: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/460/#e14641).

Also of note is reading through the Kelsier WoBs on Arcanum he never explicitly says "Thaidakar is Kelsier" so I suppose there's room for some exact words shenanigans where the two are different, though all of the WoBs involving the two of them seem to pretty heavily imply that Thaidakar and Kelsier are the same (and there might be an explicit confirmation I missed somewhere), and along with the fact that Thaidakar calls himself the Lord of Scars and Hoid mentions he's hit him in the past, which isn't something he can do to most people, I would say we're pretty clearly supposed to make the connection that Thaidakar is Kelsier. 

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

me being a shard? no, Dawnshard.

[+Vodid_Tandal he/him]

Here's a good clip from the last spoiler stream of Brandon talking about deciding whether or not to bring back Kelsier, and TenSoon being a possible Thaidakar at one point!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A67G4ObX7CM&t=84m16s

[Honorless he/him]

Wow, we really missed out on watching Shallan's expression when she finds out that the top dog of the Ghostbloods is a talking dog

Edited June 10, 2021 by Honorless

[Dullform]

17 hours ago, Espella said:

According to WoB Thaidakar doesn't actually have an avatar, he's stuck in Scadrial and just pretending to have an avatar using some method that hasn't been made canon yet

Well that answers the question then.

From the other replies I'm now convinced that it is indeed Kelsier, thank you all.

[Elegy he/him]

Well, even considering that Thaidakar is not a Shard now, I would be surprised if he didn't really want to become one. He got a taste of the power and what he could potentially achieve with it, and he's a Cosmere-aware megalomaniac. It seems very plausible that it's sort of a dream of his.

I hope he finds out where Ambition was Splintered and finds a way to reforge it. If there's someone who could find a way, it's him. And that Shard is the perfect fit.

[Lunu’anaki he/him]

6 hours ago, Elegy said:

Well, even considering that Thaidakar is not a Shard now, I would be surprised if he didn't really want to become one. He got a taste of the power and what he could potentially achieve with it, and he's a Cosmere-aware megalomaniac. It seems very plausible that it's sort of a dream of his.

I hope he finds out where Ambition was Splintered and finds a way to reforge it. If there's someone who could find a way, it's him. And that Shard is the perfect fit.

Ambition is great for him and makes more sense from a story perspective... but I really feel like Autonomy would fit him better!

...or both Ambition and Autonomy 

[Honorless he/him]

4 hours ago, Lunu’anaki said:

...or both Ambition and Autonomy 

The Shard of Revolution! 

[Lunu’anaki he/him]

17 hours ago, Honorless said:

The Shard of Revolution! 

I love it! That would be perfect for him!

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

On 6/10/2021 at 2:25 AM, Honorless said:

The Shard of Revolution! 

hm... interesting theory.

[Aspiring Writer]

On 6/7/2021 at 3:49 PM, Espella said:

According to WoB Thaidakar doesn't actually have an avatar, he's stuck in Scadrial and just pretending to have an avatar using some method that hasn't been made canon yet (source: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/460/#e14641).

Also of note is reading through the Kelsier WoBs on Arcanum he never explicitly says "Thaidakar is Kelsier" so I suppose there's room for some exact words shenanigans where the two are different, though all of the WoBs involving the two of them seem to pretty heavily imply that Thaidakar and Kelsier are the same (and there might be an explicit confirmation I missed somewhere), and along with the fact that Thaidakar calls himself the Lord of Scars and Hoid mentions he's hit him in the past, which isn't something he can do to most people, I would say we're pretty clearly supposed to make the connection that Thaidakar is Kelsier. 

I've asked him a question relating to Kelsier's state and if whatever Ishar is doing with Spren could help him and he said yes, so it is highly likely Kelsier is Thaidakar

[Frustration]

1 hour ago, Aspiring Writer said:

I've asked him a question relating to Kelsier's state and if whatever Ishar is doing with Spren could help him and he said yes, so it is highly likely Kelsier is Thaidakar

Brandon has confirmed that to be the case.

[Honorless he/him]

12 hours ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

hm... interesting theory.

Ah, the man himself. Care to confirm or refute the theory of your real identity? 

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

12 hours ago, Honorless said:

Ah, the man himself. Care to confirm or refute the theory of your real identity? 

ah, hm, well Brandon has explicitly told me not to tell you until he reveals it fully, so sorry.

[Frustration]

27 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

ah, hm, well Brandon has explicitly told me not to tell you until he reveals it fully, so sorry.

Since when do you let Brandon tell you what to do?

[Phlipz1]

To damnation with that, when did you let ANYONE tell you what to do. Shard of autonomy means nothing when you bow to authority- oh my god kelsier is an anarchist

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

1 hour ago, Frustration said:

Since when do you let Brandon tell you what to do?

*smiles* so, Brandon threatened to kill me for real this time soooo.....

[Bejarden he/him]

2 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

*smiles* so, Brandon threatened to kill me for real this time soooo.....

But your the one thing he can never kill!

You are Hope

Do what you’ve always done: Survive

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

4 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

But your the one thing he can never kill!

You are Hope

Do what you’ve always done: Survive

I know, but Brandon he is Ado, or at least that is what Khriss has tried to tell me....

[Hoid the Former Drifter he/him]

On 6/16/2021 at 4:07 PM, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

I know, but Brandon he is Ado, or at least that is what Khriss has tried to tell me....

Then he's dead and can't kill you, so there goes Khriss's theory

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

Just now, Hoid the Drifter said:

Then he's dead and can't kill you, so there goes Khriss's theory

or is he.... wait drifter! prepare to be slapped!

Edited June 22, 2021 by Thaidakar the Ghostblood

[Hoid the Former Drifter he/him]

i can still beat you harder than you can beat me...

Shadesmar, in the tower, at sunrise?