Moash... Theory?

[Mistborn Surgebinder]

So, based on a short discussion shardcast had in their last episode about moash hating humans and hating lighteyes, and thinking that maybe moash won't like Taravodium, I had a sudden image of, near the end of book 5, moash killing taravangian and taking up odium himself. 

Think about it for a minute. Moash as odium. Loose in the cosmere. I have no idea how likely it is, but it's a terrifying thought. 

[bmcclure7]

I don't see Brandon pulling the same trick twice I think todium is here to stay.  

[Honorless he/him]

The idea of Moash the anti-Nazi Nazi god is hilarious but that would also be very problematic. Taravangian as Odium brings more to the table. A late-game emotionally stable Moash becoming Odium could be possible and wouldn't have the problematic implications.

[RedBlue]

3 hours ago, Mistborn Surgebinder said:

Moash as odium. Loose in the cosmere. I have no idea how likely it is, but it's a terrifying thought. 

Aside from @bmcclure7‘s point that Taravangian is already filling that spot and probably won’t be going away any time soon, what would Moash actually do as Odium?

So far, Moash has fixated on people who have wronged him personally, and on Kaladin. He doesn’t show much interest in anything or anyone beyond that. If he were set loose in the cosmere, I don’t think he would have any reason or desire to leave Roshar. In that way, a Moash!Odium would be less dangerous on a cosmere scale than Rayse!Odium.

[bmcclure7]

On 6/4/2021 at 8:12 AM, Honorless said:

The idea of Moash the anti-Nazi Nazi god is hilarious but that would also be very problematic. Taravangian as Odium brings more to the table. A late-game emotionally stable Moash becoming Odium could be possible and wouldn't have the problematic implications.

 Deeply confused as to what Moash or odium has to do with the  National  Socialist party of Germany from the  1st half of the 20th century.

[Frustration]

1 minute ago, bmcclure7 said:

 Deeply confused as to what Moash or odium has to do with the  National  Socialist party of Germany from the  1st half of the 20th century.

you aren't from America are you?

And it's the "National Socialist German Workers Party" for future referance

[jamesbondsmith He/him]

On 6/7/2021 at 9:44 AM, Frustration said:

you aren't from America are you?

And it's the "National Socialist German Workers Party" for future referance

Why should they be from America, seeing there are nearly 200 other countries they could be from?

I'm a little confused as to how the analogy works too. Would you care to explain?

[Honorless he/him]

1 hour ago, jamesbondsmith said:

Why should they be from America, seeing there are nearly 200 other countries they could be from?

I'm a little confused as to how the analogy works too. Would you care to explain?

Frustration's referring to the fact that who the Nazis are would be common knowledge in the US and their name is used in pop culture a lot to simply refer to racism, indoctrination, etc so he's assuming that the other guy isn't American

As the guy who actually made the analogy, let me explain

The OP's idea is basically a hyper-revolutionary God who frees the oppressed by simply smacking anyone else not in the oppressed category.

As quite a few people on the Shard would put it, writing something like this would be called... political suicide

Edited June 10, 2021 by Honorless

[jamesbondsmith He/him]

3 minutes ago, Honorless said:

Frustration's referring to the fact that who the Nazis are would be common knowledge in the US and their name is used in pop culture to simply refer to racism, so he's assuming that the other guy isn't American

And Nazis are just unheard of anywhere else, are they? 

Regardless, to me Nazis are obviously tied to racism, but also to extending that racism to genocide of 'undesirables' and general fascism. They were also anti-lgbt and sexist.

I can understand the parallel between the Fused wanting to wipe out humans, but many ordinary Singers just want to live free and with their minds intact. I must have missed the human death camps that they set up. 

 

To bring it back to the original topic, I agree that Todd won't get killed off so soon. I could have been fine with a Moash redemption arc post-OB, but killing a friend to drive another to suicide crosses so many lines.

[Honorless he/him]

32 minutes ago, jamesbondsmith said:

And Nazis are just unheard of anywhere else, are they? 

Regardless, to me Nazis are obviously tied to racism, but also to extending that racism to genocide of 'undesirables' and general fascism. They were also anti-lgbt and sexist.

I can understand the parallel between the Fused wanting to wipe out humans, but many ordinary Singers just want to live free and with their minds intact. I must have missed the human death camps that they set up. 

 

To bring it back to the original topic, I agree that Todd won't get killed off so soon. I could have been fine with a Moash redemption arc post-OB, but killing a friend to drive another to suicide crosses so many lines.

It is an extreme word but I was just using the word in its pop culture sense, racism+indoctrination. I also was not referring to the Singers.

They are, while not unheard of, not exactly as well-known in parts of Asia & Africa

Edited June 10, 2021 by Honorless

[Frustration]

On 6/10/2021 at 6:27 AM, jamesbondsmith said:

And Nazis are just unheard of anywhere else, are they? 

Regardless, to me Nazis are obviously tied to racism, but also to extending that racism to genocide of 'undesirables' and general fascism. They were also anti-lgbt and sexist.

I can understand the parallel between the Fused wanting to wipe out humans, but many ordinary Singers just want to live free and with their minds intact. I must have missed the human death camps that they set up. 

 

To bring it back to the original topic, I agree that Todd won't get killed off so soon. I could have been fine with a Moash redemption arc post-OB, but killing a friend to drive another to suicide crosses so many lines.

Nazi has become a catch all term for evil empires, and their supporters in America

 

That's what I meant.

Edited June 11, 2021 by Frustration