Szeth Pancakes he/they Posted April 22, 2021 Posted April 22, 2021 This is a weird theory I came up with this morning. If, somehow, somebody could open up a perpendicularity into the Spiritual realm using some sort of 5th Ideal Bondsmith power on Roshar, then somebody else on Scadrial opens up another Spiritual Realm perpendicularity, somebody may theoretically be able to travel through one perpendicularity into the Spiritual Realm, then exit out the other perpendicularity, since all time and space is one in the Spiritual Realm. Tell me if this doesn't make sense. I'm still waking up.
Frustration Posted April 22, 2021 Posted April 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Szeth_Pancakes said: This is a weird theory I came up with this morning. If, somehow, somebody could open up a perpendicularity into the Spiritual realm using some sort of 5th Ideal Bondsmith power on Roshar, then somebody else on Scadrial opens up another Spiritual Realm perpendicularity, somebody may theoretically be able to travel through one perpendicularity into the Spiritual Realm, then exit out the other perpendicularity, since all time and space is one in the Spiritual Realm. Tell me if this doesn't make sense. I'm still waking up. That is/was the way humans got from Ashyn to Roshar, or at least something similar.
mathiau he/him Posted April 22, 2021 Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Frustration said: That is/was the way humans got from Ashyn to Roshar, or at least something similar. I don't see why they couldn't have gone through Shadesmare
Frustration Posted April 22, 2021 Posted April 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, mathiau said: I don't see why they couldn't have gone through Shadesmare Spoiler Questioner Did humans come to Roshar through Shadesmar? Brandon Sanderson It is technology or magic closer to how the Oathgates work. But it was like that. It's not canon but right now that's what I have. It's not canon because there are certain things I have to work out before that can work... By the way I'll just say to the tape recording that I haven't canonized, like for instance if they traveled to Shadesmar to get to Shinovar from Ashyn. Right now I have that not being via Shadesmar, but the mechanics of that might not work out, and I might have to default to Shadesmar. So there's certain things, you'll see, where I say, "This isn't the canon answer, it's where I have things right now." Overlord Jebus So Urithiru might end up being a spaceship after all. Brandon Sanderson It's not that. Right now I have them using something closer to Oathgating, but it opens up a huge can of worms, when I'm not requiring direct-- When I'm sending through Spiritual Realm it opens up cans of worms, and I have to just make sure the mechanics on that are tight before I do it. Emerald City Comic Con 2018 (March 1, 2018) 1
Andy92 Posted April 22, 2021 Posted April 22, 2021 This is the concept other sci-fi writers use for “fast travel” around the universe. The problem you run into is explaining how you can travel to the correct space within the correct time. It’s one thing to move from Ashyn to Roshar. It’s another thing to make sure you don’t pop out 10,000 years in the future lol
Stonerward Posted April 23, 2021 Posted April 23, 2021 I was thinking the other day about how other "enlightened / corrupted" Radiant spren / surges would work and this was my thought for how enlightened Elsecallers would use transportation
elisium he/him Posted April 23, 2021 Posted April 23, 2021 On 4/22/2021 at 1:36 PM, Andy92 said: This is the concept other sci-fi writers use for “fast travel” around the universe. The problem you run into is explaining how you can travel to the correct space within the correct time. It’s one thing to move from Ashyn to Roshar. It’s another thing to make sure you don’t pop out 10,000 years in the future lol I suppose if there were two perpendicularities open for only a certain amount of time, one on Roshar and one on Scadrial, you couldn't pop out of a perpendicularity when it isn't there, so, at least in my mind, you would reappear at the correct time, I think. That being said, the amount of time you comprehend spending in the spiritual realm before coming out the other side could be debated. Or, for the sake of argument, what if you were able to pop out of any perpendicularity that has or will existed, effectively leading to time travel? That's my two cents at least.
Weltall Posted April 23, 2021 Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, elisium said: Or, for the sake of argument, what if you were able to pop out of any perpendicularity that has or will existed, effectively leading to time travel? That's my two cents at least. Brandon has said that we're never seeing travel into the past, so it's kind of a moot point. Because of all the monkey wrenches it can throw into storytelling he decided it just wasn't happening. Whether this is something literally impossible due to Realmatics or whether it's simply so astoundingly difficult to do that we're never going to see it happen, we don't know. Given that the Spiritual Realm is simultaneously everywhere, nowhere, everywhen and nowhen, it's not hard to assume that even if you could transition into the past through it, then in 99.9999999999% of attempts you end up with every atom in your body taking a separate vacation at a different point in the space-time continuum. EDIT: Related to this, we've already seen what we think is Spiritual travel in Elantris with Aon Tia. It appears to be instantaneous teleportation (and could be used to travel offworld) and works by designating a direction and a distance. So between that and Oathgates (which either go from Gate to Gate or from Gate to corresponding Cognitive location) we have at least two methods of getting around via the Spiritual. Edited April 23, 2021 by Weltall 1
elisium he/him Posted April 23, 2021 Posted April 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Weltall said: Brandon has said that we're never seeing travel into the past, so it's kind of a moot point. Because of all the monkey wrenches it can throw into storytelling he decided it just wasn't happening. Whether this is something literally impossible due to Realmatics or whether it's simply so astoundingly difficult to do that we're never going to see it happen, we don't know. Given that the Spiritual Realm is simultaneously everywhere, nowhere, everywhen and nowhen, it's not hard to assume that even if you could transition into the past through it, then in 99.9999999999% of attempts you end up with every atom in your body taking a separate vacation at a different point in the space-time continuum. Good, time travel in my cosmere? Unacceptable. In all seriousness, I'm glad time travel will never be a part of the narrative, given its complexities.
Frustration Posted April 23, 2021 Posted April 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, elisium said: Good, time travel in my cosmere? Unacceptable. In all seriousness, I'm glad time travel will never be a part of the narrative, given its complexities. welll there is kind of time travel, it just only works send you into the future.
elisium he/him Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Frustration said: welll there is kind of time travel, it just only works send you into the future. Oh that’s fine with me, but meddling with past shenanigans and stuff is too far
ScadrianTank he/him Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 The Perpendicularity to the Spiritual realm sounds weird, but the idea makes sense. It sounds similar to instantaneous traveling in the Wheel of Time. The problem with your method is that the portals would have to be tied to each other somehow. And if you can find a way to make it work, Oathgates and AonDor teleportation still seem better.
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