Aspiring Writer Posted March 23, 2021 Posted March 23, 2021 Ah, it's been a while since I've posted a topic. Hope you all didn't miss me. So, we know that Kandra spikes are unique to them and that they can't accept another Kandra's spikes. This is probably because of Identity, similar to how metalminds only work with their user. However, we see Bleeder use two new spikes that were not her original, made out of trellium, a god metal. So how is she able to do this, despite the problem with identity? I have two theories. 1. Trellium is an alloy of a Shard's god metal and whatever Paalms original spike was. This would explain why Paalm has two that she uses despite having access to more (Which she uses to create chimeras), and why they are still useable for her. (The metal most likely being copper, as Paalm was third generation, and from Tensoon, it appears the third generation was created with blessings of presence, which needed copper spikes (This is also based on my assumption that generations were made with one type of spike.)) OR 2. Trellium's special ability has to do with identity, allowing bleeder to use it despite not being keyed to her identity, like that of an unkeyed metalmind. Seeing as every godmetal seems to have one unique capability (lerasium creates mistborn, atium is the best metal for hemalurgy, acting as a wild card, tavatsium is incredibly hard and can cut your soul, etc.) this would not be hard to believe, and would also fit in with all the identity and connection shenanigans going on in Mistborn Era 2 magic system.
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted March 23, 2021 Posted March 23, 2021 54 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Ah, it's been a while since I've posted a topic. Hope you all didn't miss me. So, we know that Kandra spikes are unique to them and that they can't accept another Kandra's spikes. This is probably because of Identity, similar to how metalminds only work with their user. However, we see Bleeder use two new spikes that were not her original, made out of trellium, a god metal. So how is she able to do this, despite the problem with identity? I have two theories. 1. Trellium is an alloy of a Shard's god metal and whatever Paalms original spike was. This would explain why Paalm has two that she uses despite having access to more (Which she uses to create chimeras), and why they are still useable for her. (The metal most likely being copper, as Paalm was third generation, and from Tensoon, it appears the third generation was created with blessings of presence, which needed copper spikes (This is also based on my assumption that generations were made with one type of spike.)) OR 2. Trellium's special ability has to do with identity, allowing bleeder to use it despite not being keyed to her identity, like that of an unkeyed metalmind. Seeing as every godmetal seems to have one unique capability (lerasium creates mistborn, atium is the best metal for hemalurgy, acting as a wild card, tavatsium is incredibly hard and can cut your soul, etc.) this would not be hard to believe, and would also fit in with all the identity and connection shenanigans going on in Mistborn Era 2 magic system. OreSeur was of the 3rd and had the blessing of potency.
Daggon Forescout he/him Posted March 23, 2021 Posted March 23, 2021 58 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: So, we know that Kandra spikes are unique to them and that they can't accept another Kandra's spikes. This is probably because of Identity, similar to how metalminds only work with their user. However, we see Bleeder use two new spikes that were not her original, made out of trellium, a god metal. So how is she able to do this, despite the problem with identity? They have a conversation about this at the start of Bands of Mourning when talking about trying to help Reluur. Spoiler "Wait, wait," Marasi said. "Why not give him another spike? You've got enough of them lying around to make earrings, like the one you gave Waxillium." .... "You are misunderstanding the nature of these spikes," VenDell all but sputtered. " First, we do not have kandra Blessings 'lying around.' The earrings you mention are crafted from old Inquisitor spikes, and have barely any potency to them. One might have good enough for Lord Waxillium's stunt six months ago (allowing Harmony to take control of Bleeder), but they would hardly be enough to restore a kandra." .... "We did try something akin to what you suggest," VenDell admitted. TenSoon ... relinquished one of his own spikes to give our fallen brother a few moments of lucidity. It was very painful for TenSoon, and - unfortunately - accomplished nothing. ReLuur only screamed, begging for his spike. HE spat out TenSoon's a moment later. Trying to use someone else's spike when you don't have your own already can provoke radical changes in personality, memory, and temperament." "Lessie," Wax said, voice hoarse. "She... she changed spikes frequently." "And each was a spike created specifically for her," VenDell said. "Not one that had been used by another kandra. And besides, would you call her particularly stable, Lord Waxillium?" I'm going to accept when ReLuur says at face value: that Bleeder didn't need any identity shenanigans to pull off what she did. She only ever used spikes specifically designed for her.
Aspiring Writer Posted March 23, 2021 Author Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: OreSeur was of the 3rd and had the blessing of potency. Huh. Nice to know. 39 minutes ago, Daggon Forescout said: They have a conversation about this at the start of Bands of Mourning when talking about trying to help Reluur. Hide contents "Wait, wait," Marasi said. "Why not give him another spike? You've got enough of them lying around to make earrings, like the one you gave Waxillium." .... "You are misunderstanding the nature of these spikes," VenDell all but sputtered. " First, we do not have kandra Blessings 'lying around.' The earrings you mention are crafted from old Inquisitor spikes, and have barely any potency to them. One might have good enough for Lord Waxillium's stunt six months ago (allowing Harmony to take control of Bleeder), but they would hardly be enough to restore a kandra." .... "We did try something akin to what you suggest," VenDell admitted. TenSoon ... relinquished one of his own spikes to give our fallen brother a few moments of lucidity. It was very painful for TenSoon, and - unfortunately - accomplished nothing. ReLuur only screamed, begging for his spike. HE spat out TenSoon's a moment later. Trying to use someone else's spike when you don't have your own already can provoke radical changes in personality, memory, and temperament." "Lessie," Wax said, voice hoarse. "She... she changed spikes frequently." "And each was a spike created specifically for her," VenDell said. "Not one that had been used by another kandra. And besides, would you call her particularly stable, Lord Waxillium?" I'm going to accept when ReLuur says at face value: that Bleeder didn't need any identity shenanigans to pull off what she did. She only ever used spikes specifically designed for her. Okay, though I will point out that the Kandra may not be completely knowledgeable about this subject. They only have a hint about how to make new kandra, and are not the most cosmere aware still.
Bejarden he/him Posted March 23, 2021 Posted March 23, 2021 Well we know Hemelurgy is extremely complicated/complex and the LR with 1000 could not create a third type. So it’s not that surprising that the kandra don’t really understand themselves.
GoWibble he/him Posted March 23, 2021 Posted March 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: Well we know Hemelurgy is extremely complicated/complex and the LR with 1000 could not create a third type. So it’s not that surprising that the kandra don’t really understand themselves. 4th: Kandra, Inquisitors, Koloss
Bejarden he/him Posted March 23, 2021 Posted March 23, 2021 Just now, GoWibble said: 4th: Kandra, Inquisitors, Koloss I stand and corrected, thanks 2
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