+Bzhydack he/him Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Doonl said: The point about the Dor is actually true, but for Allomency, you explicitly DONT need to know you can burn metals. We see this with Vin, where sure she thinks she has "luck" but 1) she didnt just start using it one day, she must have been doing it, and then realized it, and 2) she is burning pewter completely unknowingly, her "luck" is only Zinc and Brass. Same thing with Surgebinding, for a while Kaladin has no idea that he can use stormlight, but is still doing it during Bridge Runs. It definitely becomes more useful to them once they realize what they are doing, since they can choose when to use it, but they are able to use investiture without knowing that they can. Also, Vin snaped very early, she could experiment with herself as child, even as play (mean, who ever not imagined himself as some hero, Jedi, Batman, whatever? She could simply play Allomancer... and it happens to be true). For Kaladin, and other Radiants, I think in earliest stages of Bond Intent comes from Spren - liike Syl has Intent to protect Kaladin during Storm.
Doonl Posted February 2, 2021 Author Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Bzhydack said: Also, Vin snaped very early, she could experiment with herself as child, even as play (mean, who ever not imagined himself as some hero, Jedi, Batman, whatever? She could simply play Allomancer... and it happens to be true). For Kaladin, and other Radiants, I think in earliest stages of Bond Intent comes from Spren - liike Syl has Intent to protect Kaladin during Storm. Sure Vin snapped early, but she also didn't even know what Allomency was until Kelsier told her. She simply cannot have been providing the intent for her pewter burning because 1) Its unconscious, and 2) She does not even know she can do that. As for Radiants, it does not seem likely that the spren are giving intent since they are just as unaware of the powers they give as the person they bond to is. Syl didn't know what she was doing, or even that she was doing anything, or that it was strange that she was sentient, until after Kaladin started Surgebinding. I suppose its possible, since syl obviously did want Kaladin to survive, but we run into the same problem of not knowing that the powers are even possible. At that point, I just think it is more likely that the investiture is providing/shapping the intent. We already know Investiture "wants" stuff, and has some level of what seems like innate intent already. 1
Retrac he/him Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 Random thought on the tones part. Doesn't Hoid use a flute when he tells storys? Do you think he uses tones when he uses his flute?
StanLemon Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 Intent has to have a subconscious aspect to it. Otherwise certain aspects we've seen would be impossible like tapping a metalmind while asleep. Even if an Allomancer can burn metals instinctively they generally have to choose to burn them. Allomancers can feel the well of power in them and focusing on that probably is enough to start burning. When Kelsier first gives her a metal vial to test if she's Mistborn, her inner thoughts were that she had to seize the power. I think for subconscious aspects like this it's because the Investiture is treated as closer to a part of your very being rather than a power you control. Like, generally you have to intentionally choose to raise your arms but it's possible for it to happen subconsciously too like when you raise your arms to stop something flying at you before you can think. I personally think that this idea is supported by very high Hightenings giving instinctual Commands as so much power is now tied to the person's being that it's a part of them 1
LewsTherinTelescope Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, StanLemon said: Otherwise certain aspects we've seen would be impossible like tapping a metalmind while asleep. When do we see people tapping metalminds while asleep? I must've forgotten that. 2 hours ago, Retrac said: Random thought on the tones part. Doesn't Hoid use a flute when he tells storys? Do you think he uses tones when he uses his flute? I guess it's possible, but like.... it feels more likely to me that he just uses music when storytelling like people actually do?
Frustration Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 Just now, LewsTherinTelescope said: When do we see people tapping metalminds while asleep? I must've forgotten that. It's only bronzeminds. 1
StanLemon Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, LewsTherinTelescope said: When do we see people tapping metalminds while asleep? I must've forgotten that. In Bands of Mourning on the small airship they tap Brassminds to keep warm while sleeping. I did a post with the quote a while back 10 minutes ago, Frustration said: It's only bronzeminds. Only Bronzeminds can be stored while sleeping. At least as far as we know Edited February 2, 2021 by StanLemon
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