Nightblood Anti-Investiture

[DresdeMBM]

In relation to the last message, and the fact that we now have confirmation that what allows a Shardblade to cut through things is that it transforms a small amount of matter into Investiture, maybe what we can assume is that it absorbs investiture. I mean, it maybe transforms even physical matter into investiture and absorbs it, not destroying it but adding it itself. Kind of like a blackhole?

So, no destruction, just transformation and absortion.

[Leuthie]

Nightblood sucks in all Investiture around it. It has to change the Physical manifestation of Investiture (Matter) to do this. So there is a change. In that change, it defines some Intent (we don't really know which Intent: Endowment? Ruin?) This change entails "corruption" resulting in the Physical matter manifestation of Investiture with Corrupted Intent: black smoke. The leaking is due to Nightblood being made of steel and steel not being able to hold much (if any) Investiture. Over time, the steel material Nightblood is made from has probably been altered by being so stuffed full of Investiture and can now hold more, making Nightblood more powerful.

As to why Nightblood sucks in Investiture:

A material completely unable to hold Investiture or support any type of life was infused with both with the command "Destroy Evil". The only thing the steel knew before this was "I'm steel", and maybe "I'm a sword". With the infusion of Investiture (Breaths) and the force of a command, it learned three new things: How to take in Investiture, a general idea about what Destroy means, and an even more nebulous idea about what Evil is. "Destroy evil" would have been conveyed through whatever Connection was created between the steel and Shashara through the use of the Command then filtered through the lens of what the sword already knew, which was very little. Since the only active thing the new Nightblood knew how to do was to take in Investiture, it associated the sucking in of Investiture with "destroy" and probably associated "evil" with entities who have Investiture.

The amount of Breaths in Nightblood gives it enough Spiritual and Cognitive presence to develop sapience. So much Cognitive presence, in fact, that it can affect the Cognitive aspects of others. The sapient being Nightblood has learned how to use these tools overtime to destroy the original evil it was set out to destroy: namely things that have Investiture. One thing it has also learned is that it has to cooperate with its holder to avoid being locked away in its sheath for all time. It has also learned that certain individuals aren't worth cooperating with, probably using its Cognitive abilities to suss this out. It can't keep its holder alive though, since its holder is evil (has Investiture).

 

 

Edited July 12, 2022 by Leuthie
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[DresdeMBM]

Technically, we have confirmation via a WoB that the idea that Nightblood has of "Evil" is the average of what the Breaths original owners thought Evil was (the Breaths used to awaken it, not the later absorbed Breaths).

Still, if we consider that perhaps most of the Breaths used came from Idris' people living in Hallandren (perhaps sold for money, as mentioned in Warbreaker), and the fact that Idris' people consider Breaths and Awakeners as "Evil", it still more or less supports your theory of interpreting its command as "Destroy Investiture/Invested beings".

[cometaryorbit]

On 7/12/2022 at 4:15 PM, DresdeMBM said:

Technically, we have confirmation via a WoB that the idea that Nightblood has of "Evil" is the average of what the Breaths original owners thought Evil was (the Breaths used to awaken it, not the later absorbed Breaths).

Wait, really? I'd like to see that... that would totally change how I saw Nightblood (I assumed part of the problem is that either Shashara herself didn't have a good enough/sufficiently well thought out definition of Evil, or didn't incorporate it well enough into the visualization of the Command, so Nightblood kind of had to make it up for himself or rely on his wielder).

[DresdeMBM]

I have been searching for it, but I misremembered. That WoB doesn't exist. Still , we can assume what I said was true because that guy at the start of Warbreaker. Vahr, I think? Part of his personality was shaped by the Breaths he held. Maybe it is the same for Nightblood.

[NameIess]

3 hours ago, DresdeMBM said:

I have been searching for it, but I misremembered. That WoB doesn't exist. Still , we can assume what I said was true because that guy at the start of Warbreaker. Vahr, I think? Part of his personality was shaped by the Breaths he held. Maybe it is the same for Nightblood.

Here’s the WoB:

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In Vahr's case, did collecting Breath from other rebel-minded people strengthen his determination and resolve?

Brandon Sanderson

It would have had an influence on him, but you would need the numbers of Breaths that he had for any effect to manifest. It's basically a non-issue in the current book, but it could be an issue in some of the things that will happen in the next book.

Tor.com Q&A with Brandon Sanderson (Jan. 10, 2011)

 

[DresdeMBM]

And that is what happens to something that already has a mind, it can be influenced. I think that in the case of something inanimated, the influence would manifest much more strongly. I mean, it's basically a blank slate.

[cometaryorbit]

On the other hand an Awakened object is very strongly defined by its Command/visualization...

I think it's plausible that the Breath sources have some effect but I think Shashara's visualization would be much more defining.

[DresdeMBM]

Yes, but if we refer to other Awakened objects, we must say that Nightblood is unique, because the enormous ammount of Breaths used gave it sentience. Thus, the Breaths' influence coupled with it being capable of thinking allows it to stray from the original visualization.

Even then, do we know how Shashara visualized "Destroy Evil"? It's a very nebulous command, so maybe it allowed more wiggle room. 

Edited July 15, 2022 by DresdeMBM
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