Singers bonding True spren

[ScadrianTank he/him]

Do we know if the Singers can change form by bonding with True spren? Is Nahel bond the only way a sapient spren can be bonded with?

[Quantus he/him]

All the Forms come from bonding specific spren, and all the known Forms are non-sapient "animal" spren, both for normal forms and Regal Forms of Power.  Fused seem to use the Form mechanisms to use their bodied but they boot the original out, so I couldnt say if a Sapient spren might need to do the same thing to inhabit their Gemheart.  A big part of the issue is that there are things that are indeed possible but that the spren simply never tried before.  For example, the Spren have never tried to make a Nahel Bond with a singer prior to this Desolation, apparently entirely because the battle lines fell firmly down racial line before, and the Singers were the Enemy.  

[Weltall]

It might be the case that a 'traditional' singer bond could be established between one and a radiantspren but we don't know. What we have been told is that the singers were forbidden from touching the powers of 'spren and surges' in the past and after humans arrived as refugees things eventually broke down along racial lines, though we don't know how the singers and humans ended up swapping gods. In any event, it's likely that a singer trying to take on a Form with a radiantspren has never been tried before, or it was tried once a long time ago and Honor/Cultivation forbid it from happening again.

Now if a Form could result from a singer taking a radiantspren into their gemheart, it probably would not be anything nearly as powerful as the results of a Nahel Bond, where the two souls are joining into one with all sorts of implications across the board. Since spren in the gemheart can be dismissed easily whenever a new Form is taken, that bond is necessarily shallower.

Edited October 7, 2020 by Weltall

[Hoid the Former Drifter he/him]

don't we see a listener eventually become Radiant at the end of OB?

[Brgst13]

8 hours ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

don't we see a listener eventually become Radiant at the end of OB?

We did, but the OP was asking about using a Radiant spren to change to a new Form.

[Hoid the Former Drifter he/him]

oh. Would a fused also theoretically be able to become Radiant, though?

[Weltall]

5 hours ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

oh. Would a fused also theoretically be able to become Radiant, though?

In theory this should be possible. They're Cognitive Shadows but we know from Nale's example that a CS can indeed form a Nahel Bond.

Practically however, I wouldn't expect it to happen. The Fused are after all made of Odium's Investiture and I don't think the spren are going to like that very much...

[Hoid the Former Drifter he/him]

30 minutes ago, Weltall said:

Practically however, I wouldn't expect it to happen. The Fused are after all made of Odium's Investiture and I don't think the spren are going to like that very much...

Unless they are radiant first and then also become fused but they still keep their truths, i.e. protecting parchment instead of humans

[Frustration]

On 10/14/2020 at 4:30 PM, Hoid the Drifter said:

Unless they are radiant first and then also become fused but they still keep their truths, i.e. protecting parchment instead of humans

Yes parchment. I always knew paper needed my aid.

[trav]

On 7.10.2020 at 4:03 PM, ScadrianTank said:

Do we know if the Singers can change form by bonding with True spren?

know? no.

a bond is a bond. what happens with the voidspren is that they inhabit the gemhearts.

Venlis highspren traps her voidspren. not sure if it could inhabit the heart if the voidspren was not already there. I don't think it would. thats not how the bond works as humans have not gemheart. interesting question. maybe Venli will be able to do both. bond the spren to access the surges and use it to alter herself.

On 7.10.2020 at 4:03 PM, ScadrianTank said:

Is Nahel bond the only way a sapient spren can be bonded with?

if you bond the spren then you enter the Nahel bond. I guess you mean if there are other ways to access the surges then bonding.

technically, that is what Shardblades do. sort of. except you don't get the surges of course.

[LifeBeforeDeath]

On 10/19/2020 at 11:07 AM, trav said:

Venlis highspren traps her voidspren

Not a highspren. I think it's an ashspren...?

(highspren bond with Skybreakers)

[ftl]

11 hours ago, LifeBeforeDeath said:

Not a highspren. I think it's an ashspren...?

(highspren bond with Skybreakers)

Venli is a Willshaper. She bonded a Lightspren, also known as a Reacher.

Highspren are the spren of the Skybreaker order. Ashspren are the spren of the Dustbringer (AKA Releaser) order.