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[Immortal Platypus]

6 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

I was about to ask if I could join Dragon's plot, then I realized that I'm dragon so... Side Note: The plot line is... kind of on hold? because the magic system I wanted to use may or may not work for the world so... yeah.

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as resident TLT expert (besides Nameless, but he doesn't count cause I said), it'll work

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

9 minutes ago, Ookla the Arbiter said:

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as resident TLT expert (besides Nameless, but he doesn't count cause I said), it'll work

Yup, though incorporating it into the core magic system probably requires at least some input. The current state of that - “maybe my magic and Thread Awareness is connected” - is probably fine even without approval. 
Speaking of TLT experts, we made a wiki, though it’s quite incomplete at the moment. 

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

1 minute ago, Dragonheir said:

“maybe my magic and Thread Awareness is connected”

I was under the impression that that would fall under Narration- do you think it would not? 

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

4 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

I was under the impression that that would fall under Narration- do you think it would not? 

Thread Perception is an ability of Narration, but people other than Narrators have used it. I don’t think we can easily integrate the canon history of Narrators with Dragon’s background, but having Thread Perception also be granted by the Gem is perfectly fine, and characters can theorize things without being right. 

Edited April 19, 2025 by Dragonheir
Thread Awareness is just knowing you’re fictional, Thread Perception would be seeing it

[Immortal Platypus]

9 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Yup, though incorporating it into the core magic system probably requires at least some input. The current state of that - “maybe my magic and Thread Awareness is connected” - is probably fine even without approval. 
Speaking of TLT experts, we made a wiki, though it’s quite incomplete at the moment. 

I know. Glass PMed me about it. Or maybe it was Haly. I'm too lazy to check

3 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Thread Perception is an ability of Narration, but people other than Narrators have used it. I don’t think we can easily integrate the canon history of Narrators with Dragon’s background, but having Thread Perception also be granted by the Gem is perfectly fine, and characters can theorize things without being right. 

Thread Perception isn't an inherent ability of Narration, just one that is often manifested. It's a useful one for them to have, as it explains why they know to be where they are.

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

4 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Thread Perception is an ability of Narration, but people other than Narrators have used it. I don’t think we can easily integrate the canon history of Narrators with Dragon’s background, but having Thread Perception also be granted by the Gem is perfectly fine, and characters can theorize things without being right. 

True, but I was more talking about integrating it as an inherent part of a magic system.

Just now, Ookla the Arbiter said:

I know. Glass PMed me about it. Or maybe it was Haly. I'm too lazy to check

*thinks back*

I . . . did not. I think. It was probably Haly lol.

[Immortal Platypus]

nope, it was twinny

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Arbiter said:

nope, it was twinny

I love that 

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

10 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Thread Perception is an ability of Narration, but people other than Narrators have used it. I don’t think we can easily integrate the canon history of Narrators with Dragon’s background, but having Thread Perception also be granted by the Gem is perfectly fine, and characters can theorize things without being right. 

Well, the powers of the Gem have not been fullyt gained by the corrupters yet.

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Arbiter said:

I know. Glass PMed me about it. Or maybe it was Haly. I'm too lazy to check

Thread Perception isn't an inherent ability of Narration, just one that is often manifested. It's a useful one for them to have, as it explains why they know to be where they are.

Alright - yeah, TwinStorm was the one who PMed me too. 
Yeah, I think if you peel back enough layers you get pure imagination and creativity, but molding to the format itself makes sense as an evolution of that. 

4 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

True, but I was more talking about integrating it as an inherent part of a magic system.

Well, that doesn’t really work with canon. If only there was something - a magic item perhaps, like a hammer - that could change canon… 

1 minute ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Well, the powers of the Gem have not been fullyt gained by the corrupters yet.

Yeah, the balance is fine, but the lore component is hard to justify. Narration is deeply intertwined with the Authors, so having it secretly come from a gem feels weird to me, especially since the other three magic systems aren’t represented. As I said, though, Thread Perception being granted by the gem is perfectly fine - it just feels like it shouldn’t be the only source. 

[Immortal Platypus]

2 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Narration is deeply intertwined with the Authors

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Narration doesn't relate to Authors at all. But it also doesn't come from a gem. There are plenty of things that can simulate Narration though, that can be replicated from things like gems

Edited April 19, 2025 by Ookla the Arbiter

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

3 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Well, that doesn’t really work with canon. If only there was something - a magic item perhaps, like a hammer - that could change canon… 

Which part are you saying doesn't work with canon?

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

5 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Alright - yeah, TwinStorm was the one who PMed me too. 
Yeah, I think if you peel back enough layers you get pure imagination and creativity, but molding to the format itself makes sense as an evolution of that. 

Well, that doesn’t really work with canon. If only there was something - a magic item perhaps, like a hammer - that could change canon… 

Yeah, the balance is fine, but the lore component is hard to justify. Narration is deeply intertwined with the Authors, so having it secretly come from a gem feels weird to me, especially since the other three magic systems aren’t represented. As I said, though, Thread Perception being granted by the gem is perfectly fine - it just feels like it shouldn’t be the only source. 

It isn't the only source. I just thought it would be cool for the Narrators cores to be the Fragment of the Gem bc that would create tension. Also, you haven't explained the other 3 magic systems. (Except Withergiests. Was that one of them?)

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

Just now, CoderDrag0n8 said:

It isn't the only source. I just thought it would be cool for the Narrators cores to be the Fragment of the Gem bc that would create tension. Also, you haven't explained the other 3 magic systems. (Except Withergiests. Was that one of them?)

We couldn't incorporate that for all the existing Narrators, though if you want to make that the case for yours, it should be fine . . .

well . . .

well yeah, it should be I guess. If we ignore a few details.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

Just now, Through The Living Glass said:

We couldn't incorporate that for all the existing Narrators, though if you want to make that the case for yours, it should be fine . . .

well . . .

well yeah, it should be I guess. If we ignore a few details.

MUIN IS NOT A NARRATOR! HE IS A CORRUPTER!

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

2 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

MUIN IS NOT A NARRATOR! HE IS A CORRUPTER!

If you have a Narrator, then

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

7 minutes ago, Ookla the Arbiter said:

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Narration doesn't relate to Authors at all. But it also doesn't come from a gem. There are plenty of things that can simulate Narration though, that can be replicated from things like gems

Huh. I’d thought Narration entailed direct Thread-writing and hence paralleled Authors. Maybe I shouldn’t be the one writing the wiki… 

7 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

Which part are you saying doesn't work with canon?

Narrators being created from the gem. 

4 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

It isn't the only source. I just thought it would be cool for the Narrators cores to be the Fragment of the Gem bc that would create tension. Also, you haven't explained the other 3 magic systems. (Except Withergiests. Was that one of them?)

Yeah, withergeists are one of the other three. If you go to the other two “metaphysics lessons” from that blog post I sent you, there’s an overview. 
Actually, the gem could be made of the same material as the cores without too much trouble. 

[Immortal Platypus]

1 minute ago, Dragonheir said:

Huh. I’d thought Narration entailed direct Thread-writing and hence paralleled Authors. Maybe I shouldn’t be the one writing the wiki… 

Narration is the in-world changing of reality. Authors writing is just us revealing more about the world, not changing what is in it

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

6 minutes ago, Ookla the Arbiter said:

Narration is the in-world changing of reality. Authors writing is just us revealing more about the world, not changing what is in it

Hmm… I might be doing Rebus’s powers wrong, then. This had been very informative. 
Did I ever run the idea of Ordered Chaos by you? NameIess agreed with how it would probably be ineffective in combat (because it’s a sneeze away from destabilizing), but could potentially do some interesting, emergence-related things over time. 

[Immortal Platypus]

Just now, Dragonheir said:

Did I ever run the idea of Ordered Chaos by you? NameIess agreed with how it would probably be ineffective in combat (because it’s a sneeze away from destabilizing), but could potentially do some interesting, emergence-related things over time. 

It doesn't really fit on the Axis, but in theory it could happen... It's probably pretty similar to what Platypus is going through a lot of the time, honestly. Mood swings, personality changes and other things like that could be major characteristics. Powers... a little tricky there, but it could probably do some janky stuff. 

yeah, in a fight it'd be probably worse than useless (at least something useless won't harm you). there's some potential there, but it would be very dangerous.

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

5 minutes ago, Ookla the Arbiter said:

It doesn't really fit on the Axis, but in theory it could happen... It's probably pretty similar to what Platypus is going through a lot of the time, honestly. Mood swings, personality changes and other things like that could be major characteristics. Powers... a little tricky there, but it could probably do some janky stuff. 

yeah, in a fight it'd be probably worse than useless (at least something useless won't harm you). there's some potential there, but it would be very dangerous.

Seems perfect for Rebus's purposes - get some unique tricks, lose some plot-compromising omnipotence, discover something nobody else has. 

Making chaotic behaviors from orderly interactions and orderly behaviors from chaotic interactions is a facet of emergence - if you look at something like Conway's Game of Life - or better yet, Brian's Brain - you can see simple rules turning into chaotic messes, and the Thread itself consists of chaos interacting with itself until it became orderly. Light Darkness would probably fall apart in a second, but Chaotic Order feels like it could continue to exist, and even stabilize itself through its powers of emergence, which would itself be emergence. 

[Immortal Platypus]

2 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

even stabilize itself through its powers of emergence, which would itself be emergence. 

I don't think it would be even close to stable, but perhaps more stable than Light Dark

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Arbiter said:

I don't think it would be even close to stable, but perhaps more stable than Light Dark

Stable is the wrong word. Self perpetuation at a faster rate than its destabilization is the behavior Rebus wants - if you've done things with cellular automaton, it would be like an oscillator pattern. 

[Immortal Platypus]

1 minute ago, Dragonheir said:

Self perpetuation at a faster rate than its destabilization

I don't think that's quite how it would work. in a stable environment, sure, but TLT is anything but stable. Still could work though

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Arbiter said:

I don't think that's quite how it would work. in a stable environment, sure, but TLT is anything but stable. Still could work though

Honestly, if Rebus's powers abruptly cease existing and he needs to make another core, all the better! 
I would make a meme about us derailing this thread, but I'm not sure what format to use.