Going_North_cal Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 So, I was wondering. Could a spren begin to come near you and almost fully bond you, but then back away at the lalst second, thereby putting you in a different order or no order at all? Also, could you have sworn the First Ideal, and then have your spren back off and another one comes in its place? (i.e. Honorspren replaced by Inkspren) This would change your Radiant order and I doubt it would happen but I just want to see where this conversation goes.
PiedPiper she/her Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 56 minutes ago, Windshaper#51125 said: So, I was wondering. Could a spren begin to come near you and almost fully bond you, but then back away at the lalst second, thereby putting you in a different order or no order at all? Also, could you have sworn the First Ideal, and then have your spren back off and another one comes in its place? (i.e. Honorspren replaced by Inkspren) This would change your Radiant order and I doubt it would happen but I just want to see where this conversation goes. We know that Shallan had made progress in her oaths when she was young but then regressed and had to basically start over at the beginning of The Way of Kings. Pattern theoretically could have left in that time, but I doubt a different type of spren would have taken his place if he had. We know a little bit about spren politics, but it seems to me that there's some antagonism between all the different varieties. Even if two groups are allies, it's possible they already have agreements about bonding Radiants. Based on what we know so far, it is theoretically possible that someone could start bonding a Cryptic but end up an Elsecaller in the end, I just don't think it's likely. 1
Karger he/him Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 Until the final ideal is sworn their are ways to break a bond without killing the spren according to captain Ico. I suppose nothing stops you from then go on to bind some other spren.
Honorless he/him Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) Probably depends on the Order. For Windrunners you swear the First Ideal after getting a spren (though you get full power even as Squires), for Skybreakers you can swear the First & Second Ideals as a Squire (and only get access to Stormlight & the less dangerous of their two Surges after swearing the Second Ideal) Plus, this: Quote Overlord Jebus Can a spren willingly break their bond anytime between the First and Fifth Oath, with their Radiant? Brandon Sanderson Yes, this is possible-- Overlord Jebus Essentially committing suicide isn't it though-- Brandon Sanderson I just ascribe to that question-- A spren could at any point break it. Can they break it safely? That's a different question. Overlord Jebus Can they break it safely? *laughs* Brandon Sanderson There are methods in place where it can be stopped. So yes it can be done. But once you've started into this, once you've chosen on both sides, it's a dangerous process. But yes it can be done, and it can be done safely. Emerald City Comic Con 2018 (March 1, 2018) Edited July 28, 2020 by Honorless
+Child of Hodor Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) We do have Szeth say to Nightblood in OB Ch 92 Quote “I heard a voice like yours once, sword-nimi” The whispers? ”No. A single one in my mind. when I was young. ... I hope things go better this time.” This was probably a spren that he didn’t end up bonding. Probably different than the high spren he’s bonding now. We also have the Ghostblood letter to Shallan about Nale intervening with people who haven’t yet sworn an oath. Quote “dealing with anyone close to bonding a spren. Sometimes he recruited these people, bonding them to highspren” OB Ch 39 Edited July 28, 2020 by Child of Hodor 1
Weltall Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 If for some reason you break a bond (or never quite form one in the first place) it's possible that you could later bond a spren corresponding to a different Order, assuming that you met the qualifications that multiple types of spren are looking for in potential bond partners. We know this is possible (Ym was a proto-Truthwatcher but could have become an Edgedancer under other circumstances) and there's a popular theory that something similar to but not exactly like this is in the cards for a particular character. Spoiler That is to say that Ash- who isn't exactly a Lightweaver per se but is the patron of that Order and Heralds could be counted as members per Brandon- could eventually become our Dustbringer focus character.
Going_North_cal Posted July 29, 2020 Author Posted July 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Weltall said: Ym was a proto-Truthwatcher but could have become an Edgedancer under other circumstances Wasnt Ym killed by Nale at the end of his Interlude
Weltall Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Windshaper#51125 said: Wasnt Ym killed by Nale at the end of his Interlude Yes, but that's not exactly relevant. He was bonded to a... whatever the name of the Truthwatcher spren ends up being (Brandon first and the text of Oathbringer second confirm this) but Edgedancer tells us that he could have become a member of that Order instead had things gone differently. Quoth Wyndle: Quote Did you know we were considering bonding this nice cobbler man instead of you? A very kindly man who took care of children. I could have lived quietly, helping him, making shoes. The chances of this referring to anyone but Ym are somewhere in the vicinity of 'nil'. So it's possible for the same individual to attract spren associated with different Orders. Edited July 29, 2020 by Weltall
Going_North_cal Posted July 29, 2020 Author Posted July 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Weltall said: Did you know we were considering bonding this nice cobbler man instead of you? A very kindly man who took care of children. I could have lived quietly, helping him, making shoes. Wait who says this? Isnt it Wyndle to Lift?
Weltall Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) Yes, I even said so in the post and I'm not sure what's confusing you here. Ym could have become either an Edgedancer or a Truthwatcher in theory because both types of spren were interested in him. This supports the idea that the hypothetical individual in your original post who breaks a bond (or never actually forms one) to a spren of one Order could eventually bond a spren belonging to a different Order. The point is that one person can attract spren from multiple Orders and we've seen it happen. I can also throw several WoBs at you that say essentially the same thing in different ways. Edited July 29, 2020 by Weltall
Samrat he/him Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 Man please do that. This multiple Bonding theory doesn't let me sleep in the night. All day i dream about Spren and multiple Nahel Bonds..... 1
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