Wyndle88 he/him Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 First of all, I am not very knowledgeable about Shards in general, I have pondered here and there. We know that once the 16 Shards after being picked up, made a kind of agreement to 1. 2 shards shouldn't settle in one system. 2. Shards will keep away from each other. There could be more agreements but I'm not aware. So we know of many breaches to the agreement above from what we have read in Mistborn and Stormlight series, also on smaller other works. So to the main topic. We know Shards Honor and Cultivation settled on the Rosharan System which has 3 planets. Ashyn, Braize and Roshar. This system was already in place as it was made by ADO. So my question. Did Honor and Cultivation go settle in Roshar from the start? My theory is that no. Maybe Cultivation was in Ashyn and Honor was in Braize. Roshar itself was already made by ADO and had life there as maybe crem. Maybe a young sentient life. But mostly it was stone. So to continue my theory we can imagine the Shards as their vessels or Avatar. Cultivation was in Ashyn. Hers is the surges. Then Odium came looking and Cultivation knew she wasn't powerful enough to fight against him alone causing her to panic and flee. But then Honor agreed to help fleeing Cultivation by trying to hold off Odium so that she can shelter in Roshar. But Honor got wounded but managed to trap Odium in Braize thus leaving Ashyn completely under the influence of Odium. This later caused the destruction of Ashyn once Odium became God there alone. Meanwhile Cultivation induced a lot of Investiture by her presence in Roshar. Later joined by a weakened and deteriorating Honor. They then mutually agreed to keep fighting Odium together with Honor making sure that he doesn't die in vain using his remaining power to set up various precautions against Odium namely Sprens, Unity (Spren of Roshar maybe), Oathpact, Oathgate, Honor's Perpendicularity, Heralds etc. The Sprens started copying their gods and started doing themselves creating the Knights Radiant. Until Odium started getting powerful enough to corrupt Roshar's magic system causing loss of Investiture and killing Honor finally. Personally I think with Cultivation' future sight she is playing the longer game of waiting than Odium who is like ADD hyper active, who eventhough has future sight is just using it for short term gains. Cultivation is in it for much longer. Sorry about the rambling. 4
KandraAllomancer he/him Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 It's a good theory, but unfortunately contradicted by several WoBs: Quote Lance Alvein Did Cultivation come to Roshar with Honor, or was she already on Roshar when Honor arrived? Brandon Sanderson Good question. They came together. 17th Shard Forum Q&A (Sept. 26, 2012) Quote Volratho Was Roshar equally Invested by Cultivation and Honor originally? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Volratho How 'bout now, since he's been-- Brandon Sanderson So the Investiture is all still there... It is not all accessible. So, at this point, you might say-- I'd say it's a point of disputation. It would be worth arguing either way. I will say at this point, no, it's not equal anymore. But definitions of where the power is and what it counts as is ambiguous. Volratho So Cultivation has more active Investiture? Brandon Sanderson Yes, I would say yes... Well, but she's been very coy. I'm gonna leave it at that. Skyward Chicago signing (Nov. 16, 2018) Also, for some reason I don't claim to understand, Honor didn't believe he broke the original agreement: Quote Mason Wheeler One of the Letters in Oathbringer suggests that the Shards had a pact to all go their separate ways. And some of them held to it and some of them didn't? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Mason Wheeler Out of all of them, how is it possible that one of the ones that didn't is the one whose nature is to obsessively keep your word at all costs? Brandon Sanderson He would argue that he kept his word. Mason Wheeler Okay, so loophole. Brandon Sanderson He wouldn't even call it a loophole. Legion Release Party (Sept. 19, 2018) 3
Subvisual Haze Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 ^I think we should be incredibly cautious about interpreting seemingly straightforward words of Brandon related to this topic. He loves to split hairs sometimes, and this is a perfect topic for him to do so because "Roshar" could refer to just the planet Roshar, but could also refer to the Roshar Solar System (which includes Ashyn and Braize). I also agree with your theory and have been wondering similar thoughts to myself. Ashyn is such an interesting topic to theorize about.
Karger he/him Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wyndle88 said: We know that once the 16 Shards after being picked up, made a kind of agreement to 1. 2 shards shouldn't settle in one system. 2. Shards will keep away from each other. It seems to have been an informal agreement not to interfere with each other. No formal oath. Honor and Cultivation were cooperating thus no violation. Some shards are more bigger stickler about this then others. Also Quote Mason Wheeler One of the Letters in Oathbringer suggests that the Shards had a pact to all go their separate ways. And some of them held to it and some of them didn't? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Mason Wheeler Out of all of them, how is it possible that one of the ones that didn't is the one whose nature is to obsessively keep your word at all costs? Brandon Sanderson He would argue that he kept his word. Mason Wheeler Okay, so loophole. Brandon Sanderson He wouldn't even call it a loophole. Legion Release Party (Sept. 19, 2018) Edited April 23, 2020 by Karger 1
Frustration Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 I would say that the WoB Honor would say that they where fine due to their marriage. 1
Elegy he/him Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 It's confirmed that it wasn't a formal agreement: Quote Nameless36 All the Shards basically agreed not to settle on the same planet. Six of them - that we know of - immediately, basically broke that. Brandon Sanderson So... they did not make an oath to it. There was a suggestion made... and perhaps the people who made the suggestion did not understand that, if you want the Shards to do something, you need an actual Oath. And they did not get one. Tel Aviv Signing (Oct. 18, 2019) 2
Karger he/him Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 26 minutes ago, Frustration said: I would say that the WoB Honor would say that they where fine due to their marriage. Aww. Honor and Cultivation file jointly! 2
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