Adolin will become Radient

[Karger he/him]

4 minutes ago, The Traveller said:

I like the idea especially where he learns how to revive the blades and teaches it to everyone! May be then Syl will finally like him! 

Yes!  And then they can tag team in getting Kaladin to go on a fricking date!

[teknopathetic he/him]

On 2020-01-26 at 8:10 PM, The Traveller said:

I do not agree with this. I don’t think this holds true any longer. I think when you kill someone and begins to think that you have failed your father, that is a beginning of cracks in your soul. When your bedrock  around which you had centred your entire ethical framework- Dalinar, is shaken, like it will be once Adolin learns about his mother and what really happened in Rathalas, I think it is going to create cracks in his soul. 
Already we see that he has broken a little, he has begun to self doubt, question his usefulness etc there are plenty of arguments we can make to suggest that he is broken enough. 
Besides, we have Lopen as an example of how a broken soul is not always necessary. 
Also I think someone who is less broken than the norms, might have better chances of filling the gaps in the broken soul of a deadeye spren and reviving them. 
In short, I am all for Adolin reviving maya and gaining some form of Radiancy. But I want him to be different from normal radiants. 

I don't think Adolin considers what he did as "wrong" in any way, and he had the full support of Shallan when she said "good for you" after his confession. I don't even think we as an audience as supposed to think he did anything wrong. 

[Aon Tia she/her]

11 minutes ago, teknopathetic said:

I don't think Adolin considers what he did as "wrong" in any way, and he had the full support of Shallan when she said "good for you" after his confession. I don't even think we as an audience as supposed to think he did anything wrong. 

I think many times there is difference between what a person says and what they actually feels. He does not regret that he killed Sadeas, he says that explicitly but he also thinks, as I remember, that he failed his father. He also wishes that he could have killed him in a proper duel honourably instead of a dark alley. 
But what I wanted to say more was that killing someone, in many magic systems, is considered an act that opens your soul up a little. He also begins to think that he is not the son his father deserves. 
anyways, his self doubt, he says his killing of Sadeas proves that he is not worthy of being a king, along with the subsequent reveals about Rathalas and his mother, have the potential to really break him. He, and Renarin were very close to her. Plus he might now feel that his killing Sadeas proves that he is exactly the son his father deserved. 

[teknopathetic he/him]

2 hours ago, The Traveller said:

I think many times there is difference between what a person says and what they actually feels. He does not regret that he killed Sadeas, he says that explicitly but he also thinks, as I remember, that he failed his father. He also wishes that he could have killed him in a proper duel honourably instead of a dark alley. 
But what I wanted to say more was that killing someone, in many magic systems, is considered an act that opens your soul up a little. He also begins to think that he is not the son his father deserves. 
anyways, his self doubt, he says his killing of Sadeas proves that he is not worthy of being a king, along with the subsequent reveals about Rathalas and his mother, have the potential to really break him. He, and Renarin were very close to her. Plus he might now feel that his killing Sadeas proves that he is exactly the son his father deserved. 

I might be wrong, but I think Adolin is accepting that his ideals, while close, are not the same as his fathers and are not the same as the codes. What Adolin did was right IMO, and I think Adolin will only face external stress as consequences for his actions.

Now how post-murderer Adolin reacts to the murder of his mother might be an interesting bit or emotional turmoil....

[Frustration]

Personally I think the reason I don't want Adolin to become a raidiant is that he feels almost too normal, and giving him full powers on top of that feels wrong, but there is a very easy way Brandon can fix this. Anger. Adolin killed Sadeas in the heat of the moment, in his anger, if Adolin where to have some more anger issues, maybe taking his frustration that Maya won't revive fully out on others, then at the climax of his arc he lets his anger go and restores her. (It could also be that if I were to meet Adolin in real life we wouldn't get along at all.)

[Elsecaller_17.5 he/him]

I think the question of is Adolin broken enough is a little silly. Guys, Tien was broken enough.

[Frustration]

On 2/1/2020 at 9:02 AM, Elsecaller_17.5 said:

I think the question of is Adolin broken enough is a little silly. Guys, Tien was broken enough.

In a war, from a guy that can't stand blood.

[NameIess]

4 minutes ago, Booknerd said:

In a war, from a guy that can't stand blood.

Tien was a Radiant before he was conscripted, he was able to help Kaladin with his depression in a similar way to Shallan.

[Frustration]

2 minutes ago, Llstml said:

Tien was a Radiant before he was conscripted, he was able to help Kaladin with his depression in a similar way to Shallan.

In a surgeon's home, from a guy that can't stand blood.

Edited February 3, 2020 by Booknerd

[Elsecaller_17.5 he/him]

1 hour ago, Booknerd said:

In a surgeon's home, from a guy that can't stand blood.

Yah, having a shed in the backyard where your dad does surgery. It wasn't on the kitchen table and I'm sure tien could manage to be elsewhere while he was operating. 

Regardless either scenario does not set the standard of "broken" very high. Which was exactly my point.

[Pathfinder]

18 hours ago, Elsecaller_17.5 said:

Yah, having a shed in the backyard where your dad does surgery. It wasn't on the kitchen table and I'm sure tien could manage to be elsewhere while he was operating. 

Regardless either scenario does not set the standard of "broken" very high. Which was exactly my point.

So first, we do know via WoB the requirement to be broken is not that high, so I am not commenting to dispute that or anything. However, in Tien's case he was very much treated as odd and an outsider by the other adults in the town, and made fun of by the children. We don't know the extent of the bullying because kids would leave Tien alone when Kaladin was around to glare at them. But Kaladin couldn't always be around. 

[Elsecaller_17.5 he/him]

7 hours ago, Pathfinder said:

However, in Tien's case he was very much treated as odd and an outsider by the other adults in the town, and made fun of by the children. We don't know the extent of the bullying because kids would leave Tien alone when Kaladin was around to glare at them. But Kaladin couldn't always be around. 

That's a really good point, I hadn't considered. 

[Calderis he/him]

Standard schpiel. 

"broken" does not mean every has to be Kaladin/Shallan/Dalinar levels of screwed up. 

There is absolutely plenty of evidence in the books about Adolin's insecurities and fears.

The other Kholin's being Radiants may be a reason people dislike the idea, but it canonically makes him more likely to become a Radiant because of Connection. 

And frankly, the storyline in which we get Maya's name and she's summoned in under ten heartbeats is a setup that I find pretty telling. Dead blades take 10 heartbeats. Less means she's already healing. 

[Karger he/him]

On 2/9/2020 at 1:51 AM, Calderis said:

And frankly, the storyline in which we get Maya's name and she's summoned in under ten heartbeats is a setup that I find pretty telling. Dead blades take 10 heartbeats. Less means she's already healing. 

But we don't know what healed means.  Even if she is restored to full sapiance she might not be able to grant Adolin powers simply because she is too damaged.

[Frustration]

2 hours ago, Karger said:

But we don't know what healed means.  Even if she is restored to full sapiance she might not be able to grant Adolin powers simply because she is too damaged.

That would be Ideal

[Calderis he/him]

8 hours ago, Karger said:

But we don't know what healed means.  Even if she is restored to full sapiance she might not be able to grant Adolin powers simply because she is too damaged.

"healed" would mean no longer trapped as a blade. 

In which case I don't see anything stopping her from being just like any other spren. 

If it goes a different route, great, but I wouldn't call her "healed" otherwise. As I've said repeatedly in this thread and countless others I think the foreshadowing is pretty clear and consistent at this point. 

[Frustration]

7 hours ago, Calderis said:

If it goes a different route, great, but I wouldn't call her "healed" otherwise. As I've said repeatedly in this thread and countless others I think the foreshadowing is pretty clear and consistent at this point. 

Foreshadowing for something, but what it is can be disputed, when Adolin draws Stormlight I'll reconsider but for all we know this is as far as it will go.