SzethIsBadAsHell he/him Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 So we have seen shardblade on two worlds thus far . Roshar and Nalthis. Has anyone considered it may be possible on every world in the Cosmere , and Others just haven’t figured out how ? I think Sel would probably be a good candidate . Possibly Skadrial as well , i just think the magic system on Skadrial is so broken there is little you can’t do if you only knew they right metals . Sel has Seons which are really close to spren . And they have a dark version we haven’t seen yet . Seems you can create some interesting things on Sel , if you can make Seons then shardblades should be possible. Can anyone think of another world they could make shardblades. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Well we know that Seons from Sel definitely COULD be Shardblades, if they had something more that pulled them into the Physical realm more fully. Quote Sir Jerric Could a seon or a skaze turn into some sort of Shardblade on their home planet? Brandon Sanderson That is theoretically possible. They work under the same fundamentals but they would need to have something to pull them more into the Physical Realm. Words of Radiance Omaha signing (March 13, 2014) Another world where I could see shardblade-like creations made is actually Scadrial. [Era 2 Spoilers (Mostly BoM)] Spoiler With the advent of Harmonium, we know that it's possible for airships to store their weight (mass) like a Skimmer ferring as seen in BoM. If you made a sword that had Iron and Pewterminds inside it, and primed a Harmonium device that caused the same effect, could you make it store its weight (as "Roshardblades" are very light for their size) and tap "Strength" in a way that enhances its durability? or perhaps a different metal would reinforce it, making the blade effectively unbreakable (as long as there was a reserve to tap into), like a Roshardblade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancer Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Threnody is a world that I could potentially see Shardblade equivalent weapons being made. The already have guns that can shoot out shades. If you could bond with the Shades and bring them more into the PR then I don't see why you couldn't get a Shardblade. What effects a "Shadeblade" would have I have no Idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) 1. This should be in Cosmere discussion 2. I would love to know more about threnody 3. I doubt you can do it on scadrail. Edited October 27, 2019 by Karger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Dancer said: Threnody is a world that I could potentially see Shardblade equivalent weapons being made. The already have guns that can shoot out shades. If you could bond with the Shades and bring them more into the PR then I don't see why you couldn't get a Shardblade. What effects a "Shadeblade" would have I have no Idea. I would imagine it would inflict Shade-Withering when you cut someone, at least. We also have WoB that you can put Seons (and other Splinters) into a gemstone just like Rosharan Spren, to make a fabrial. Quote Questioner Could someone use a [seon] or skaze to build a fabrial and what would that do? Brandon Sanderson It depends on how you define fabrial. If you define fabrial as trapping a sapient Splinter in a gemstone--I guess they don't all have to be sapient--they can all--flamespren and stuff like that--so if you define it as capturing a spren in a gemstone, could you capture a seon in a gemstone, and I would say, yes. The fabrial--what it will do is going to depend on a whole lot of factors--how you build fabrials even sometimes have to do with... Some of the fabrials don't care as much what the Splinter piece is. Obviously a heating fabrial or something like that does. Other ones, it's not as related. So I would say what the power of the Aon in the seon is, would influence what kind of fabrial you could make from it. Good question, excellent question, I've never been asked it before. DragonCon 2019 (Aug. 29, 2019) So do Shades count as Splinters for the purposes of putting them in gems? That could be how the shadegun works, being a fabrial with a shade in it that fires withering investiture blasts (or something, i'm unsure tbh). If that's the case, then you could kind of "cheat" by making a half-shard sword with a Shadrial on it that makes the blade Wither on contact. This would work if there's no good way to pull a shade into the PR to become a blade via a "natural" bond. 58 minutes ago, Karger said: 1. This should be in Cosmere discussion 2. I would love to know more about threnody 3. I doubt you can do it on scadrail. 1. Agreed. 2. Also agreed. 3. It really does hinge on the ability to make the sword highly durable via [Era 2 BoM spoilers again] Spoiler Via Harmonium A-Pewter, as we've seen the Primer Cube being able to replicate Allomancy, would you be able to do that to a sword to have the durability-boost from A-Pewter, with the mass reduction of F-Iron, to make a "Mindblade" (named as such due to the metalminds)? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: 3. It really does hinge on the ability to make the sword highly durable via [Era 2 BoM spoilers again] Not a bad suggestion if you can get it to work but they have guns so I don't see why anyone would bother. In fact that kind of suggestion would work much better for armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell he/him Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Can one of the Mods move this to Cosmere discussion please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Karger said: Not a bad suggestion if you can get it to work but they have guns so I don't see why anyone would bother. In fact that kind of suggestion would work much better for armor. I was going to mention, I'm much more interested in other worlds' recreations of shardplate, considering the increased complexity and opportunity for special abilities we wouldn't otherwise see. Sel is a fairly clear-cut answer; have an Elantrian carve some Aons into metal plate armor or the like. I don't know specific Aon effects off-hand, so if anyone has good suggestions, please do elaborate on this. Scadrial, as you said. Perhaps [Era 2 BoM spoilers AGAIN, sorry] Spoiler put some Medallions on the inside for temporary metalborn awesomeness like A-Pewter, F-Steel, and F-Iron. Maybe also line the outside/inside with Aluminum to make it push/pull resistant. Nalthis would be really interesting, awoken armor that functions like an exoskeleton... It's shaped like a living thing (but granted, almost definitely made of metal, so it'd be like awakening a humanoid-shaped Nightblood... shudder). Nightblood is already a "third gen" shardblade, after all. It would be like his brother. Awesome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell he/him Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: I was going to mention, I'm much more interested in other worlds' recreations of shardplate, considering the increased complexity and opportunity for special abilities we wouldn't otherwise see. Sel is a fairly clear-cut answer; have an Elantrian carve some Aons into metal plate armor or the like. I don't know specific Aon effects off-hand, so if anyone has good suggestions, please do elaborate on this. Scadrial, as you said. Perhaps [Era 2 BoM spoilers AGAIN, sorry] Hide contents put some Medallions on the inside for temporary metalborn awesomeness like A-Pewter, F-Steel, and F-Iron. Maybe also line the outside/inside with Aluminum to make it push/pull resistant. Nalthis would be really interesting, awoken armor that functions like an exoskeleton... It's shaped like a living thing (but granted, almost definitely made of metal, so it'd be like awakening a humanoid-shaped Nightblood... shudder). Nightblood is already a "third gen" shardblade, after all. It would be like his brother. Awesome. You touched on every point I was thinking in my mind . If two Different shards could create investiture swords that have similar effects . Theoretically a similar weapon should be able to be created by each shards investiture; albeit they operate on similar but not the same principals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KandraAllomancer he/him Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 I don't think you can create a shardblade on Scadrial (particularly given lack of Harmony splinters), but you can create a hilt containing a powerful unsealed metalmind and some harmonium inside to give the blade Leecher ability. Works equally well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 44 minutes ago, KandraAllomancer said: I don't think you can create a shardblade on Scadrial (particularly given lack of Harmony splinters), but you can create a hilt containing a powerful unsealed metalmind and some harmonium inside to give the blade Leecher ability. Works equally well The problem with that is that so far it seems Harmonium-based allomancy is "always" ranged, like we see with the cube on the train, and afterwards. Doing that might also sap the metals of the user, which would be a problem... but if you CAN specify it to be on contact, even then, the user is still touching the sword as well. Might need an aluminum-lined glove to hold it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnbearer he/him Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 I sort of doubt it's possible...I am yet to read Warbreaker, but there seems to be some sort of tie between Endowment and Honor. From the few things I've heard, the magic systems are similar. Shardblades--as far as I know--are part of Honor's magic system. But I really can't say much, I don't know how flexible Shard's magic systems are, and I'm still reasonably new to the Cosmere, so I'm no expert. But I think the forging of Shardblades--just as the Snapping of a Misting--probably can only happen under the proper magic systems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiberty Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dawnbearer said: I sort of doubt it's possible...I am yet to read Warbreaker, but there seems to be some sort of tie between Endowment and Honor. From the few things I've heard, the magic systems are similar. Shardblades--as far as I know--are part of Honor's magic system. But I really can't say much, I don't know how flexible Shard's magic systems are, and I'm still reasonably new to the Cosmere, so I'm no expert. But I think the forging of Shardblades--just as the Snapping of a Misting--probably can only happen under the proper magic systems. This thread really should be in Cosmere Discussion. It'll make sense once you get farther in the Cosmere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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