Karger he/him Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 This thread will likely contain spoilers for Oathbringer. At the end of Oathbringer Sadeas's men bond the thrill something never before seen if Ash is to be believed. Dalinar ends their ability to wage war by trapping the thrill in the King's Drop an enormous perfect ruby capable of housing and containing an Unmade. The only other time anything like this has happened before was when the Bondsmith Melishi used his abilities to trap the unmade Ba-Ado-Mishram. The result seems to be the transformation of the Parsh people, as the singers were then called, into the Rosharan Parshmen. Mindless and diligent slaves that needed instructions to do much of anything. Could a similar transformation have happened to Sadeas's men? Are Sadeas's men parshmen now(I am not going to argue weather or not they deserve it. Sotto voce they dooo.)?
+Invocation Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 They are firmly not parshmen, unless no one chose to acknowledge those changes at the end of Oathbringer when some collapse after Dalinar shoves the Thrill in Honor's Drop.
Karger he/him Posted July 18, 2019 Author Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Invocation said: They are firmly not parshmen, unless no one chose to acknowledge those changes at the end of Oathbringer when some collapse after Dalinar shoves the Thrill in Honor's Drop. Well they are in captured. Do you honestly expect a prisoner to be talkative or to do much of anything? Also humans and singers have different spirit webs. Perhaps the changes are a bit less pronounced. ie they can still talk and remember fairly well and they can still learn but they have lost abstraction and critical thinking. Edited July 18, 2019 by Karger
CrazyRioter she/her Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 I would assume not, as I expect the bond with those voidspren and Nergy was looser than the bond BAM had with the parsh.
+Invocation Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Karger said: Well they are in captured. Do you honestly expect a prisoner to be talkative or to do much of anything? Also humans and singers have different spirit webs. Perhaps the changes are a bit less pronounced. ie they can still talk and remember fairly well and they can still learn but they have lost abstraction and critical thinking. Exceptionally doubtful. BAM was filling the parshmen with a different level of juice that affected them more deeply, while the Thrill just locked them into energy and bloodlust and left them reeling when the sensation was removed. No deeper transformation, unlike what happened to Amaram due a similarly deep bond with Yelig-nar.
First Witness Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 They have "The Thrill" Drag, IMO. That on top of National/Familial based shame.
Scion of the Mists Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 It's a good thought, but I feel like a change that drastic would have been noticed and mentioned. However, even if a similar change took place, they wouldn't be "parshmen." 11 hours ago, Karger said: Sotto voce they dooo.)? Huh?
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 I don’t think they are, for the simple reason that it should have been mentioned if that was the case.
Pathfinder Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) This goes into mistborn spoilers, and I will reference them if requested, but a character mentions that as long as someone is "open" enough (in that case the person was "insane") they can be influenced/contacted by shards or investiture entities. A certain shard in another book did that a whole lot without even needing its magic system involved. Odium in stormlight mentioned how using the Thrill for a long time to prepare Sadeas's men, and them being enraged by Sadeas's death all coupled allowed them to be "open" for the spren to "hop in". So it was tied to their emotional state which allowed them to be influenced. Edited July 18, 2019 by Pathfinder
Karger he/him Posted July 18, 2019 Author Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Scion of the Mists said: It's a good thought, but I feel like a change that drastic would have been noticed and mentioned. However, even if a similar change took place, they wouldn't be "parshmen." They would not change species obviously but will they now have the lower intelligence and need to obey orders? 2 hours ago, Scion of the Mists said: Huh? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sotto voce
+Q10fanatic Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 0 Advanced issues found ▲ 15 minutes ago, Karger said: They would not change species obviously but will they now have the lower intelligence and need to obey orders? Doubtful. That seems based on the fact that BAM hijacked the Singer's Connection (Spiritual mumbo jumbo) and her being sealed away ripped that connection out of them (almost like the Deadeyes after the Recreance). The Singers (and Spren) naturally have a spirit web that is designed for this type of deep bond/Connection/entanglement with others, as part of their natural life cycle. Humans are far more independent and closed off from other beings, spiritually speaking. We don't see Kaladin go comatose when Syl "died".
Karger he/him Posted July 18, 2019 Author Posted July 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, Q10fanatic said: We don't see Kaladin go comatose when Syl "died". Kaladin damaged Syl. She was not forcefully yanked out of him. The processes are not necessarily analogous.
+Q10fanatic Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Karger said: Kaladin damaged Syl. She was not forcefully yanked out of him. The processes are not necessarily analogous. There's no great analogies for this though, it's never happened before. I would argue that Kaladin is much closer to the humans (biologically and realmatically) than either the singers or the spren.
Karger he/him Posted July 18, 2019 Author Posted July 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Q10fanatic said: There's no great analogies for this though, it's never happened before. I would argue that Kaladin is much closer to the humans (biologically and realmatically) than either the singers or the spren. This would be a great ask Brandon. Are their any effects on the soldiers that Dalinar pulled the thrill out of?
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