Title Alteration

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

Could we please change ‘Son of Honor’ to ‘Child of Honor?’ A fair number of us aren't exactly ‘sons’, and it just feels odd, especially when the gender-neutral one works just as well.

[Karger he/him]

Agreement is expressed for the sentiment but Son of Honor refers to the organization on Roshar which I believe does include some women who are also called Sons. 

[Chaos he/him]

This was indeed referring to the Sons of Honor organization, not the Stormfather saying Child of Honor or Child of Tanavast. 

[Wyndlerunner he/him]

I'm assuming much of the reasoning behind the title is in Brandon's 'Rule of Cool', for instance: Sons of Anarchy sounds much cooler than Children of Anarchy, therefore, even if you were a female member, you would still be a Son of Anarchy. 

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

8 hours ago, Chaos said:

This was indeed referring to the Sons of Honor organization, not the Stormfather saying Child of Honor or Child of Tanavast. 

Ah. I thought it was referring to what the Stormfather called some of the Windrunners. For some reason I think of the organization as having a plural.

[Wyndlerunner he/him]

19 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Ah. I thought it was referring to what the Stormfather called some of the Windrunners. For some reason I think of the organization as having a plural.

They are in fact referenced as 'The Sons of Honor', as an organization, but the individuals within would be a 'Son of Honor'

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

Have we even seen any women in the organization?

[+Invocation]

9 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Have we even seen any women in the organization?

We know there have to be due to Roshar's...oddly gendered perspective on writing, but no, we haven't seen any (that we know of) yet.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

So we don’t actually know how the group refers to them.

[Kidpen he/him]

10 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

So we don’t actually know how the group refers to them.

I don't think we've ever seen any of the known members referred to in that sense either. I'd say though that it would be very strange for the organization to be called the Sons of Honor if an individual isn't always a Son of Honor. 

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

Nope. The ‘Sons of Liberty’ had Daughters, even though ‘Sons’ was in the name. They were sometimes collectively called ‘the Sons and Daughters of Liberty.’ The Sons of Honor always reminds me of them, for some reason. The Daughters were sometimes referred to as a separate organization due to their different roles; it’s quite possible that the same is true of the Sons and Daughters of Honor.

http://www.ushistory.org/us/10b.asp

Edited June 17, 2019 by Kingsdaughter613

[+Invocation]

9 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Nope. The ‘Sons of Liberty’ had Daughters, even though ‘Sons’ was in the name. They were sometimes collectively called ‘the Sons and Daughters of Liberty.’ The Sons of Honor always reminds me of them, for some reason. The Daughters were sometimes referred to as a separate organization due to their different roles; it’s quite possible that the same is true of the Sons and Daughters of Honor.

http://www.ushistory.org/us/10b.asp

It's very possible they don't consider the women full members and thus don't have a separate title for it. We don't know one way or the other and won't until more material comes out, or someone asks Sandman. Until then, it's not really worth arguing about or changing it on here.

[Kidpen he/him]

On 6/17/2019 at 2:03 PM, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Nope. The ‘Sons of Liberty’ had Daughters, even though ‘Sons’ was in the name. They were sometimes collectively called ‘the Sons and Daughters of Liberty.’ The Sons of Honor always reminds me of them, for some reason. The Daughters were sometimes referred to as a separate organization due to their different roles; it’s quite possible that the same is true of the Sons and Daughters of Honor.

http://www.ushistory.org/us/10b.asp

I stand by that being very strange, but fair enough.

Edit: This was apparently my 3200th post. Yay.

Edited June 21, 2019 by Kidpen