White Sand 3 Reveals

[Karger he/him]

Now that we are expecting White Sand 3 we are going to have a bunch more Cosmere knowledge.  Any predictions on what we might learn over the course of the novel?

[Honorless he/him]

On 6/12/2019 at 3:18 AM, Ookla the Prolific said:

Now that we are expecting White Sand 3 we are going to have a bunch more Cosmere knowledge.  Any predictions on what we might learn over the course of the novel?

Maybe update this topic to predict the Darkside GNs? 

Things I saw coming (I had not read the prose version) was Khriss' inability to Master and Kenton's one ribbon versatility netting him a win.

Truthfully, White Sand 2's Trell was the spit-take moment for me and nothing here topped it, but part 3's still my favourite and I preferred it's handling of the story better than the same in the prose version (though for parts 1 & 2, I preferred the corresponding section of the story in prose)

[Karger he/him]

10 hours ago, Honorless said:

Maybe update this topic to predict the Darkside GNs? 

Maybe but we don't have a release date for them and honestly I think I will just make a new topic.

Also I agree that we learned basically nothing of Cosmere significance.

[+King of Herdaz he/him]

On 12/24/2019 at 7:08 PM, Ookla the Prolific said:

Also I agree that we learned basically nothing of Cosmere significance.

Um, what about Baon using sand mastery?

[Karger he/him]

59 minutes ago, King of Herdaz said:

Um, what about Baon using sand mastery?

That is interesting but not particularly significant.  We have seen plenty of people use sand mastery before.

Edited December 26, 2019 by Ookla the Prolific

[Honorless he/him]

1 hour ago, King of Herdaz said:

Um, what about Baon using Sand Mastery?

That is interesting and raises some questions but I think the OP meant Cosmere-wide significance (given it's a Khriss novel).

Baon having the capacity to Master means either Baon has Daysider blood or the capacity to Master isn't dependent on or as dependent on heritage. It might also mean that not everyone on Darkside can use the Shifting Colors.

Edited December 26, 2019 by Honorless

[Karger he/him]

2 hours ago, Honorless said:

Master isn't dependent on or as dependent on heritage

Which we already sort of knew from Khriss's essays. 

[Honorless he/him]

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Prolific said:

Which we already sort of knew from Khriss's essays. 

I think if you look up 'unclear' in a dictionary, that portion of Khriss' essay with "different form of initiation than Vax" would be the example it would use.

[Karger he/him]

Just now, Honorless said:

I think if you look up 'unclear' in a dictionary, that portion of Khriss' essay with "different form of initiation than Vax" would be the example it would use.

I believe it also says different from metallic arts.

[Honorless he/him]

2 hours ago, Ookla the Prolific said:

I believe it also says different from metallic arts.

Yup, different from Scadrial, Sel & Vax

Edited December 26, 2019 by Honorless

[Karger he/him]

6 hours ago, Honorless said:

Yup, different from Scadrial, Sel & Vax

The metallic arts are hereditary.

[Honorless he/him]

3 hours ago, Ookla the Prolific said:

The metallic arts are hereditary.

Yup. And therein lies the vexation.

Edited December 26, 2019 by Honorless

[Karger he/him]

1 hour ago, Honorless said:

Yup. And therein lies the vexation.

My point is that this means Sand Mastery is not hereditary and we knew it was not so that fact that we have an example it is not is not exactly helpful.

[Honorless he/him]

On 12/27/2019 at 1:14 AM, Ookla the Prolific said:

My point is that this means Sand Mastery is not hereditary and we knew it was not so that fact that we have an example it is not is not exactly helpful.

Yeah, yeah, I got that  That's why I said it's frustrating. That was a cliffhanger ending that we won't get back to for years. Taldain's Investiture systems are the among the ones we know the least about. We know more than just their effect but not enough. Ugh! 

Edited January 1, 2020 by Honorless

[+Oltux72 he/him]

On 26/12/2019 at 8:44 PM, Karger said:

My point is that this means Sand Mastery is not hereditary and we knew it was not so that fact that we have an example it is not is not exactly helpful.

Not exactly. There is a subtle difference. The Metallic Arts have inheritance by potential. Even if your parents never burned metal you still can inherit the ability. In such a case scattering the practitioners of the power and cutting transmission of lore from generation to generation won't work.

That scattering the people who practice sandmastery would eradicate sandmastery is implied in volume#2. Baon shows us that it is not quite so simple. Yet there are far too many people whose ancestors were sandmasters to dismiss inheritance out of hand. As far as we know Sandmastery can still be semicontagious. Your showing the ability may depend on actual exposure to a sandmaster.

[Eternal Khol he/him]

24 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

Not exactly. There is a subtle difference. The Metallic Arts have inheritance by potential. Even if your parents never burned metal you still can inherit the ability. In such a case scattering the practitioners of the power and cutting transmission of lore from generation to generation won't work.

That scattering the people who practice sandmastery would eradicate sandmastery is implied in volume#2. Baon shows us that it is not quite so simple. Yet there are far too many people whose ancestors were sandmasters to dismiss inheritance out of hand. As far as we know Sandmastery can still be semicontagious. Your showing the ability may depend on actual exposure to a sandmaster.

Kriss says in Elantris Arcanum that it’s not inherited. Or at least not in the way scadrial does it

Edited February 13, 2020 by Eternal Khol

[Karger he/him]

30 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

Not exactly. There is a subtle difference. The Metallic Arts have inheritance by potential. Even if your parents never burned metal you still can inherit the ability. In such a case scattering the practitioners of the power and cutting transmission of lore from generation to generation won't work.

But Khriss says otherwise so we are back to square one.

[Ripheus23]

On 12/26/2019 at 10:16 AM, Dreamer said:

And therein lies the vexation.

One might even say the vaxation.

[Honorless he/him]

14 minutes ago, Ripheus23 said:

One might even say the vaxation.

nice, lol

[theTruthshaper]

On 12/26/2019 at 9:29 AM, R J said:

Baon having the capacity to Master means either Baon has Daysider blood or the capacity to Master isn't dependent on or as dependent on heritage. It might also mean that not everyone on Darkside can use the Shifting Colors.

What is the Shifting Colors? I don't remember reading about in the graphic novel, neither does it have a coppermind entry.

[+King of Herdaz he/him]

4 minutes ago, The_Elsecaller said:

What is the Shifting Colors? I don't remember reading about in the graphic novel, neither does it have a coppermind entry.

It's towards the end of chapter 5 of volume 2 when Khriss was experimenting with the sand. It's in the bottom right frame on the page.

[Honorless he/him]

21 minutes ago, The_Elsecaller said:

What is the Shifting Colors? I don't remember reading about in the graphic novel, neither does it have a coppermind entry.

It's expanded upon a bit more in the prose. It's the Darkside system of Investiture.

[theTruthshaper]

Storms... its just a mention. No wonder I didn't think much of it.

 

[Honorless he/him]

5 minutes ago, The_Elsecaller said:

Storms... its just a mention. No wonder I didn't think much of it.

Hmm there's another mention in Vol 2 I think, when Khrissala comments on Kenton's eyes, @King of Herdaz?

[+King of Herdaz he/him]

17 minutes ago, R J said:

Hmm there's another mention in Vol 2 I think, when Khrissala comments on Kenton's eyes, @King of Herdaz?

Where is that? I can't find it