+robardin he/him Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 It compuslively annoys Ash to hear people swearing by the Heralds, especially her. But what do people say in Roshar, in Dalinar's time? We've heard the interjections Kelek's breath, Ash's eyes, Taln's palms... Presumably these are traditional phrases of some kind and people don't also say Ash's breath, Kelek's palms, etc., and it feels like they're based on assonance and an associated virtue/strength of the Herald. Ash = Herald of Beauty = eyes, Taln = Herald of War = hands, substituting palms for the assonance, Kelek... well, who knows what was so special about his breath. What about the other seven Heralds? People swear by Jezrien by conflating him with the Stormfather, but I can't think of any swears we've read for anybody else. Not even Ishar, "the Herald of Luck", who as such you'd think would get invoked quite a lot in wishing for good luck, or cursing one's bad luck after the fact. So if we were to try to come up with one- or two-syllable assonant "swear phrases" for the other Heralds, what would they be? I'll start... How about "Nale's hair?" Because "Nale's nails" is awful. 1
Bigmikey357 he/him Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 Kelek gets worshipped as the father of storms in some places so Kelek's breath is a relevant use of a curse. Can't think of any others at present but it's possible this will be on my mind all day
Quantus he/him Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 I always liked the more vulgur types ("How in the name of Zues's Butthole", "Christ On a Stick", etc) soo.... Nale's Knob Pali's Piss Battar's Butthole 3
Calderis he/him Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 Hands are referenced for Nale as well. At one point Kaladin thinks this. Quote The Alethi way. You could abandon an ally on the battlefield, and everyone could know it—but an offense in person, well, that just wouldn’t do. Society would frown on that. Nalan’s hand! His father was right about them all. He also says it to Moash at another point. 1
+robardin he/him Posted March 7, 2019 Author Posted March 7, 2019 54 minutes ago, Calderis said: Hands are referenced for Nale as well. At one point Kaladin thinks this. He also says it to Moash at another point. Ah, "Nalan's hand!" Nice. It's interesting how sometimes the Vorin version of the name is used, like with "Kelek's breath", but it's stll Ash's eyes and not Shalash even when used by Alethi Vorinists, (A quick check and Shallan seems fond of that one, and Amaram says it when commenting on how riveted Adolin is by his first glimpse of Shallan when she arrives at the warcamps in Words of Radiance.)
Karger he/him Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 If people think that Kelek is the stormfather then his breath would be hurricane force winds. Ishar is also the herald of priests so swearing by him might not be appropriate. We do regularly see people pray to him.
Lord Mistborn Bondbreaker he/him Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Calderis said: Hands are referenced for Nale as well. At one point Kaladin thinks this. Quote The Alethi way. You could abandon an ally on the battlefield, and everyone could know it—but an offense in person, well, that just wouldn’t do. Society would frown on that. Nalan’s hand! His father was right about them all. This was Adolin. Edited March 7, 2019 by Lord Mistborn Skybreaker
Calderis he/him Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 Just now, Lord Mistborn Skybreaker said: That was Adolin, not Kaladin. So I conflated that with when Kaladin says it to Moash. Oops.
Lunamor she/her Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Don’t the Radiant orders have a certain part of the body that corresponds with them? I think that was mentioned in the first post, but I am not sure. I don’t know if the existing curses correspond with them, but it seems like they might. If you were going along those lines, you would say something like “Pailiah’s hair” because hair is what is associated with the Truthwatchers. Edited March 7, 2019 by Lunamor
+Invocation Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Ishar's soul is a curse that exists and seems to be pretty severe, given the less frequent use of that versus some of the others. Edited March 7, 2019 by Invocation
Quantus he/him Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Invocation said: Ishar's soul is a curse that exists and seems to be pretty severe, given the less frequent use of that versus some of the others. I imagine it's frowned upon in Tukar, at the very least...
+Invocation Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 7 hours ago, Quantus said: I imagine it's frowned upon in Tukar, at the very least... That is fair, provided they know the connection there. Do they?
Quantus he/him Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 8 hours ago, Invocation said: That is fair, provided they know the connection there. Do they? Probably not, since he's going by a wildly different name. If there's anything against it in the land, it would likely be more something he's imposed from the top down. He may not care, or given that he's set himself up as a god in his own right he may be discouraging mention of other religious figures in general. All that's speculation on my part though, we dont really know much of anything of the current state of things there.
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