John Flamesinger he/him Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 I know this is a bit far fetched, but could it be possible, that, for some reason, a kandra was on Roshar? And happened to become bonded with a spren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Calderis he/him Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 Don't see any reason why not so. Long s it were living by the ideals. If Hoid can spren its obviously not limited to people born there. It would require a very flexible spren though. Most would be repelled by the spikes. Quote Djarskublar (paraphrased) So I could be wrong, but a Hemalurgic spike, when you use it and become a savant it does damage to your Spiritweb, right? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes Hemalurgy always hurts you. Djarskublar (paraphrased) So say you go to Roshar and you give somebody a Hemalurgic spike for some Allomantic power, don't care what, and you use it to become a savant. Does that qualify them as 'broken' enough to become a Radiant? As long as they are also following the Ideals to attract a spren. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) So becoming a Radiant is a spectrum of terminologies. It... probably, but you would have to find a Radiant who would, or a spren who would be willing to touch that, okay? It's going to drive them back. Djarskublar (paraphrased) So would it also affect your probability of becoming an Elantrian? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yeah it would affect your ability to become anything else, yes. Djarskublar (paraphrased) Okay, so would it be a positive effect, negative effect...? Because I was like, it gives you cracks in your Spiritweb. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) It does give you cracks in your Spiritweb. Djarskublar (paraphrased) So it's easier for Investiture to get in. Does it make it easier for other Investitures to get in? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) It would make it... yes. It's going to drive spren away. So what it's really going to make easier for, there, is spren and Investiture that doesn't care. Djarskublar (paraphrased) Okay, so Investiture doesn't care but spren do. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Investiture might care depending on if it's part of a Shard-- if it has intent and things like this. Djarskublar (paraphrased) So it might let Stormlight in easier than a Breath, type thing. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) I'm saying it might let Odium in easier than Syl. Because Syl would care, and Odium would not care. Djarskublar (paraphrased) Okay cool. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Alright, so it could be a really bad thing, is what I'm trying to say to you. Djarskublar (paraphrased) Yeah that's cool. I just want to know more about gold too. Gold Allomancy too. Because Miles was doing some funky stuff. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Miles was doing some funky stuff. source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Quantus he/him Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 I dont see why not, a spren can bond whomever they choose, and Kandra are still just mortals with severely mutilated Spiritwebs (as opposed to some form of Cognitive Shadow). Though I suspect there could be fairly extreme consequences where a Bonded Kandra to have their Blessing Spikes removed. Same Question, different Target: Could a Returned? Might be a tad more likely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mailnaise she/her Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 Like Brandon said, with a kandra the spikes might drive spren away, but hey, it's still possible. I feel like a Returned could bond a spren. I mean Vasher on Roshar can use stormlight instead of Breath to stay alive, so that's evidence Returned can use other kinds of investiture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Shqueeves he/him Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 I feel that they've done a good job at answering your question, but based on your phrasing, this wob will come as a surprise for you Quote Skaiiwalker (paraphrased) Are there any kandra on Roshar? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes. Skaiiwalker (paraphrased) Is Axies one of them? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No, but good guess. The Aimians are a different race. source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 RShara she/her Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 Theoretically possible, yes. Quote Questioner If someone out of Roshar knows the Immortal Words, and he's, for example, a kandra, can he become a Knight? Brandon Sanderson So, becoming a Knight Radiant is up to the spren, right? Saying the Ideals, swearing the Oaths, these sorts of things, you have to convince a piece of sapient Investiture that you deserve it, and that's the main thing. Questioner And the kandra? Brandon Sanderson So, the kandra would have to lots of fast talking, and there are a few more difficulties involved, but this is theoretically possible. For instance, taking some pieces of Investiture offworld are difficult. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Quantus he/him Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Mailnaise said: Like Brandon said, with a kandra the spikes might drive spren away, but hey, it's still possible. I feel like a Returned could bond a spren. I mean Vasher on Roshar can use stormlight instead of Breath to stay alive, so that's evidence Returned can use other kinds of investiture. I was thinking that Returned are a type of Cognitive Shadow that's been "stapled" back onto their body, and their Divine breath is permeating their spiritweb whihc might cause interference that even a Spren might not get around, and as I understand it Vasher is simply feeding his Divine Breathe on Stormlight rather than nathian Breaths, which I tend to think is qualitatively different than actually using another form of Investiture. But then, the Heralds are one of the closest things out there to the Returned, and they can still bond a spren, so ya I dont actually see any reason they couldnt do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Calderis he/him Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Quantus said: I was thinking that Returned are a type of Cognitive Shadow that's been "stapled" back onto their body, and their Divine breath is permeating their spiritweb whihc might cause interference that even a Spren might not get around, and as I understand it Vasher is simply feeding his Divine Breathe on Stormlight rather than nathian Breaths, which I tend to think is qualitatively different than actually using another form of Investiture. But then, the Heralds are one of the closest things out there to the Returned, and they can still bond a spren, so ya I dont actually see any reason they couldnt do it. I think it could happen, but I think it would be even more difficult than the kandra. The divine breath is literally keeping them from passing beyond, and investiture resists Investiture. Quote Argent Can a Returned like Lightsong go to Roshar and form a bond with a spren? Brandon Sanderson Investiture interferes with other Investiture. Argent And they have a lot of it. Brandon Sanderson And they have a lot of it. That is not-- It's not completely-- For instance you can Push on Invested metal, but it's hard. There's a resistance, the more Invested the harder-- So a bond for instance-- forming a bond-- It's, yeah-- It can be done-- I mean Sazed took two of the powers up, right? But I kind of imagine what he did as a nuclear reaction. Where breaking an atom is hard, unless you are in the middle of a sun. And he was in the middle of the sun. At that point-- Argent There was a lot of stuff going on around him that facilitated. Brandon Sanderson Yes, definitely. But when you've got that much power you'll-- In other words if there is a lot of power going around, these things become easier. Argent So, possible but difficult is-- Brandon Sanderson Yes. source And I found a wob that agrees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 goody153 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 I can already imagine Melaan a funny knight radiant lol Anyways what the conflict between different investitures. Does the vessel do the conscious decision whether their investiture conflicts with another shard ? I can remember Era 2 mists no longer pull away from hemalugy but it probably has to do with the combined shards(i put my money on the concious decision of sazed to make them touch without issues tho) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Scion of the Mists Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 8 hours ago, goody153 said: I can already imagine Melaan a funny knight radiant lol Anyways what the conflict between different investitures. Does the vessel do the conscious decision whether their investiture conflicts with another shard ? I can remember Era 2 mists no longer pull away from hemalugy but it probably has to do with the combined shards(i put my money on the concious decision of sazed to make them touch without issues tho) That's exactly correct! Quote Brandon Sanderson Chapter Seventeen The Mists Form In writing this book, I had to nail down a few worldbuilding issues I'd been contemplating even before the first trilogy ended. What would happen to the mists, for instance, once Sazed took over and became Harmony? The mists, obviously, are a big part of the series. It didn't make sense—either narratively or worldbuilding-wise—to lose them completely. However, they'd been created as an effect of Preservation trying to use his essence to fight against Ruin's destruction of the world. So . . . wouldn't they go away? I decided that Sazed would still send them. They're part of the nature of the world now. To acknowledge what had happened, they wouldn't come every night any longer. But they would come. They were changed in that they are no longer simply the raw power of Preservation; they're now a part of Harmony—so they no longer pull away from Hemalurgy in the same way as they used to. They still have the odd effect of being able to power Allomancy. (And Feruchemy as well—if one knows how to do it.) The mists are, in part, the raw power of creation. And when one is favored of Harmony, the mists have a greater effect than they might otherwise have. We'll see more of this later. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Quantus he/him Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 Wait, so that means a Returned feed their Divine Breaths off the Mist directly, no?. I dont know why that never occurred to me. We had a discussion a while back about the possibility of such folks on Era1 Scadrial (Returned and dragons that I was theorizing fed directly off Investiture like Larkin), but I was thinking they'd be attracted to the place because of a established Godmetal economy, but just drinking in the Mists should work as well as Stormlight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ripheus23 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 The real question is whether a kandra can bond a seon that bonded a spren that bonded a Nightblood that bonded Plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BooksBeforeDeath Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Watch Waldo, the Kandra worldhopper, end up being a lightweaver. Imagine how hard it would be to figure that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 goody153 Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, BooksBeforeDeath said: Watch Waldo, the Kandra worldhopper, end up being a lightweaver. Imagine how hard it would be to figure that out. It might actually be easier for a rosharian shard to figure it out considering they might just go "wait a minute this is made of Ruin's investiture" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Quantus he/him Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 8 hours ago, BooksBeforeDeath said: Watch Waldo, the Kandra worldhopper, end up being a lightweaver. Imagine how hard it would be to figure that out. Sounds like any Kandra on Roshar is going to be easy pickings for Odium, so more likely they'd become a Voidbinder. Sooo, "ShadowWeaver"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BooksBeforeDeath Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Voidweaver. Darkweaver Shadowweaver Absence-of-light-weaver All of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lightblood Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Another offshoot Can a Kandra Return? They are essentially creatures of hemulargy so to kill them with acid would leave the spikes. But what happens when someone's body explodes and is gone, and then returns. Isn't that kinda the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Scion of the Mists Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 45 minutes ago, Lightblood said: Another offshoot Can a Kandra Return? They are essentially creatures of hemulargy so to kill them with acid would leave the spikes. But what happens when someone's body explodes and is gone, and then returns. Isn't that kinda the same thing? I bet that Endowment could make a kandra Return if she wanted to. A Shard is capable of almost anything. However, it would likely not be the standard practice of Returning, as the Ruinous Investiture from the Hemalurgical spikes would likely interfere with the divine Breath. It would also complicate it if the body had been destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Calderis he/him Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Lightblood said: Another offshoot Can a Kandra Return? They are essentially creatures of hemulargy so to kill them with acid would leave the spikes. But what happens when someone's body explodes and is gone, and then returns. Isn't that kinda the same thing? I think that the spikes would be an additional complication added to the fact that a non-Nalthian returning is exceptionally unlikely. Quote NutiketAiel (paraphrased) If a native of Sel or another Shardworld traveled to Nalthis, would they be a drab? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No, they would not be a drab. But, no one would be able to take their Breath. NutiketAiel (paraphrased) If such a person died on Nalthis, could they Return? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No, they cannot Return. NutiketAiel (paraphrased) If such a person received breath, could they use BioChroma? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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