Long Game 5: Noble Secrets

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Voting is closed. Writerup will be coming shortly.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Night 1: A Slow Start Teo 1

Shock had covered the warcamps as the lighteyes and darkeyes alike heard the news about King Naladar. No one knew what to think. Tion had taken control of the nobility at his party and acted commanding. The Ardents helped the confused people find peace in the wake of such a tragedy. But for the most part, the people questioned what would become of the kingdom.

Awes and Fnorf, along with Tion, all tried to get people to help search out and investigate who might be the killers. Most of the others decided to sit back and wait until they knew more before making any decisions. After Sprenil's surprising declaration, the nobility were puzzled and shocked at his boldness. This was the same ward who had been quiet and unobtrusive only the week before.

The dirt salesman said that he would not participate in seeking out the assassins until they lasted the night. Fnorf jumped at that and declared him the traitor. Accusations flew around and were taken back quickly. The Shin, Jain, and Ace both declared Jost to be their heirs if they should die.

Tors, the ardent, was decided to be the most suspicious and Tion jumped over to him and along with Jost, they both dragged him outside to the gallows. They pulled the rope tight and as they did so, an object fell out of the ardent's robe. Tion picked it up and noticed that it was some kind of fabrial that Tors had been tinkering with.

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Tors was a Noble Artifabrian.

Votes:

Tors (3): Jost, Tors, Tion

Ace (1): Xanas

Jain (1): Wurum

Jim Bob Dirt (1): Fnorf

Night 1 begins now and will end at 3:30 pm MDT or 22:30 GMT.

[the Gleeman he/him]

Humperdinck came back from his hunt to find the ardent dead. He had never been a strong believer in the ardentia but he had somewhat liked Tors. Wait did Tors vote for himself? Who used a reverser!

[Lightsworn Panda he/him]

Thank you, Awes, for that magnificent list. You deserved those upvotes.

I admit, my previous decision was slightly adrenaline fueled (I'd finished Cod Ghosts Alien Extinction for the first time), but there still was a plan behind it. Let me explain.

If I was killed by the GB, they'd gain nothing. I have heired off my item, the Painrial, which was useless to begin with. Sure, they'd kill a Noble, but they wouldn't kill a useful one, like on with a Shardblade. Even if Jost was a GB, he wouldn't be able to effectively use the Painrial, given the nature of the GB.

If I was killed by an individual, nothing would be gained. My items have already been heired off.

If I was lynched, nothing would be gained. I present no harm, and it would only be friendly fire. In fact, those who vote me are most likely GB.

If someone tries to rob me, I have a useless item. Besides, I have a little surprise.

In short, I am a "useless" player, with no value gained from my murder.

Here

Edit: POSTING PROBS AGAIN!

Edited May 14, 2014 by Lightsworn Panda

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

If you get murdered, your Killer gets one Item. All the Rest go to me. Also,According to the List, Adolin had as many Votes as Tors. Did someone Pain Knife him, or was this a Mistake?

 

Jim Bob Dirt: (2) Fnorf, Tors,

Sprenil: (0) Tion, Tors

Pailan: (0) Awes

Tors: (2) Tion, Pailan, Joe

Jain: (1) Wurum, Xanas

Macen: (0) Xanas

Edited May 15, 2014 by The Only Joe

[Sphinx]

It looks like someone used a reverser on Tors, changing his vote from Jim Bob Dirt to himself.

[Awesomeness Summoned he/him]

Well... seeing as how Tors' vote changed from Dirt, to himself, I'm going to guess the GB have a reverser or someone really thought Tors was a GB. We seem to be very good at accidentally eliminating people with important roles on the first day in these games.

 

Think this is a good example of why we shouldn't publicly announce our roles in the main thread. The GB probably would have let it go to a tie if Tors hadn't announced that he had a role.

 

Edit: Ninja'd

Edited May 14, 2014 by Awesomeness Summoned

[Theorymaker he/him]

The news had come as a shock. An innocent ardent had been killed for absolutely no reason. Cara went to her room early moving her heavy dresser in front of the door because it had no lock. She heard that Tion had raised the suspicion against Tors and that creepy guy Jost had joined him in getting Tors killed. If people are killing random ardents was she next? Cara realized that she wouldn't be getting a lot of sleep so she laid down on her bed trying  not to think about the death.

 

Storms, I should have tried to get on during the day. I still can't believe you guys killed Tors, he obviously wasn't evil.

[Metacognition he/him]

Tion, not to let a little something like innocence stop him, quickly pulled the lever and smiled slightly at the satisfying snap of Tors' neck.

 

Oh well, he thought. I was never that devote anyways.

 

Afterwards, he approached the waiting crowd. 

 

"It seems that this mystery cabal is far more clever than I suspected. We will have to extra diligent to make sure that they are not allowed to fool me again.'

 

'And that will end the festivities for this evening. Go home and get some rest. Sleep well, knowing that I will be hard at work trying to protect you."

 

Dang it. Sorry Tulir! I really thought that might work to get us one on the first day! I doubt it's any consolation, but I do have quite a few suspicions now, based on your death. I'd rather not share my suspicions at night, just in case it makes me a bigger target than I already am for most people now. And I didn't actually take any pleasure in your death. Again, just RP, so if it's too much, let me know and I'll remove it. 

 

We're going to want to figure out another setting for tomorrow, since I doubt too many people are going to want to discuss their plans during the night. Personally, I think Xanas' suggestion of a chasmfeind hunt would be fun, as it would give us an entertaining way to deal with whomever we lynch. 

[Lightsworn Panda he/him]

Jain shuffled the cards in his tarot deck, purely out of amusement. They never actually worked, no matter how grave the situation. Unsurprising, really. He'd bought them for a single clearchip at a cheesy vendor in Alethkar Proper. At random, he drew three cards and set them aside. Jain frowned. This time, the draw was quite ominous. The Hanged Man, The Fool and... Death, the Grim Reaper. Looking up, though, Jain saw something much more ominous.

Some people would dismiss it as a trick of the light. Jain, however, knew it well enough to suspect that it was something that no trickery of the eye could create.

The toy panda, which he had placed on a shelf, was smiling back at him with a expression of pure, evil, relish. It was a face that was filled with sadistic excitement, as if it was anticipating and enjoying the killings that would occur and had occurred. A wind swept into the window through an open window, toppling the toy panda onto his tarot cards - right onto the card of Death.

Sighing, Jain replaced the toy back onto its shelf. The evil look was gone now.

"You're a positive little fella, aren't you?" Jain asked the panda. As usual, the panda didn't reply, but it did seem to snicker.

Edit: Grammar and Posting Issues.

Edited May 14, 2014 by Lightsworn Panda

[Macen he/him]

Our span-reeds should get their conversations going.

[Awesomeness Summoned he/him]

 

Awes had never seen someone die before. While it was all happening, his mind had been numb. He watched the whole thing in a stupor and didn’t even try to intervene. Was there anything he could have done even if he had been able to act? Why hadn’t Tors kept voicing his suspicions of Jim Bob Dirt? The arguments would have likely come to a stand still but for some reason he just gave up at the end. It was almost as if he’d wanted to die. 

 

And that Tion... Awes got shivers just thinking about the man’s enthusiasm throughout the affair. If he didn’t know any better he would swear Tion had enjoyed it!

 

Awes needed to get out of there and think about what to do next. For the hundredth time he asked what he was even doing here.

 

He stepped out into the evening breeze and for once was relived to find Stomper grazing close by. Stepping near, Awes placed a hand on the Ryshadium’s strong flank for strength. His bodies uncontrollable shaking subsided just a little. Stomper raised his head at the touch but could apparently tell Awes desperately needed the companionship. He went back to grazing without so much as an attempt at nipping the hand.

 

“I'm actually glad Sebarial sent you along with me. Come on. Let’s get some sleep.”

 

They strolled down the road side by side, Awes’ hand still resting upon Stomper’s strong hide.

 

[Aspren]

I believe Tion mentioned something about how it would (or rather should) be my turn next if Tors wasn't a GB. While I'd hardly call that rational thinking, that is having someone who never expressed any suspicion of the lynchee taking the blame for them being lynched, I hardly have any right to be questioning the rationality of others, considering my actions. And in fact, I still agree.  While I'm a bit peeved that he sprang my trap early when he accused Tors, It served its purpose. And being that I didn't vote, I don't have any right to criticize other's and where they placed their votes. 

 

The proceedings of the day hadn't gone well, and to make matters worse Sprenil was behind on his Highstorm calculations. And then, to make matters worse, he'd lost his writing equipment. That equipment was left over from his uncle who had travelled the span of Roshar, and brought home that writing kit just for Sprenil. It seems he'd have to resort to actually asking someone to lend him a quill or something else to write with, in the mean time. 

Edited May 14, 2014 by Aspren

[Lightsworn Panda he/him]

Tion, no one has voted you, even though you were the most active and gun-ho person of the group. Who are you, I wonder?

Edit: FRAKKING POSTING ISSUES

Edited May 14, 2014 by Lightsworn Panda

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I have made errors, but I wouldn't make one so big as saying that Tors voted for himself on accident.

[Claincy he/him]

Dang. But we can now be near certain that the GB have a reverser which is very important information.

 

 

How are arbitrary accusation in any way reliable? I'm not against discussion, but there is absolutely NOTHING to go on at this stage of the game. What defense do you want me to make? What defense can I make? As I said, there's nothing to go on; there's no information on which to base accusations, besides "feeling that people are suspicious", which is no basis at all. Do you want a witch-hunt? 

 

This especially makes no sense. Let's say we do what you want and randomly select a person to be lynched. And let's say they turn out to be GB. What, should we then lynch every person who defended them? That's nonsense. I'm not saying you shouldn't have people you suspect. What I'm saying is that we only help the GB by pointing fingers like this. If you suspect someone, INVESTIGATE. Don't just pile votes on them in the hope that you're right. 

I want to start this by saying that I find your assumption that I am accusing randomly mildly offensive. I have clearly stated why I voted for you and it has nothing to do with chance.

 

I will try to put this as clearly as I can:

There are a couple of different levels on which you can play this game or schools of thought on how to play. One level is where you rely heavily on the spying roles and look at who voted for people who turn out to be innocent and who voted for people who turned out to be GB. Players following this school of thought/playing on this level tend not to vote unless they are reasonably certain of their target hoping to avoid killing innocents as much as possible. For someone following this school of thought lynching someone on the first day is indeed useless.

 

The other way to play involves gathering as much information as possible and using it not just to try to understand and sort through players actions, but also to consider what they say, how they act and how that contrasts with how they have acted in the past. Furthermore this playstyle involves figuring out how people are attempting to manipulate others and why and using that to sort out their alignment and roles. To someone playing on this level the information we gained from the discussion and voting today was extremely useful.

 

Jim Bob Dirt: (2) Fnorf, Tors,

Sprenil: (0) Tion, Tors

Pailan: (0) Awes

Tors: (2) Tion, Pailan, Joe

Jain: (1) Wurum, Xanas

Macen: (0) Xanas

 

This list tells us a lot, as do the arguments that were made that aren't shown in this simple list. Am I saying that I now know who at least 1 GB is? No of course not. However for everyone who chooses to look into it there is a wealth of information here that will be extremely useful in the days to come. If we hadn't started throwing accusations around we would have nothing to go on at all and who the GB killed tonight would give us no more information than that that person wasn't a GB. Now it could be quite interesting.

 

Now to respond directly to what you said:

 

How are arbitrary accusation in any way reliable? I'm not against discussion, but there is absolutely NOTHING to go on at this stage of the game. What defense do you want me to make? What defense can I make? As I said, there's nothing to go on; there's no information on which to base accusations, besides "feeling that people are suspicious", which is no basis at all. Do you want a witch-hunt?

Of course arbitrary accusations aren't reliable. But if it leads to arguments and discussion it does give us the information we need to make better accusations. However, the accusations so far (at least some of them, mine included) have been far from arbitrary.

 

Examples of information:

Somebody proposes a plan for finding information. -information

Aspren encourages everyone to kill him. -information

Somebody opposes the plan for gathering information. -information

Who does and does not vote for Aspren. -information

etc

 

Your original post that made me vote for you:

 

I'm not going to vote to lynch anyone today. The chances of lynching an innocent is much higher than the chances of killing a GB. No point to it, really. No action > killing an innocent.

"No point". No point in gathering information? No point in trying to draw out the GB? If the nobles stay passive in this game the GB will almost certainly win. Unless we actively seek out information through accusations and voting we are completely reliant and the people with spying roles to learn anything and the odds of winning through that are very poor. This statement you made is arguing against gathering information and trying to spread the feeling that voting at all is pointless. Whether lynching someone or not is worthwhile is something very open to debate. Whether voting and accusing people to gather information is worthwhile is a different story. Attempting to reduce the amount of information gathered benefits the GB immensely, hence I voted for you.

 

 

This especially makes no sense. Let's say we do what you want and randomly select a person to be lynched. And let's say they turn out to be GB. What, should we then lynch every person who defended them? That's nonsense. I'm not saying you shouldn't have people you suspect. What I'm saying is that we only help the GB by pointing fingers like this. If you suspect someone, INVESTIGATE. Don't just pile votes on them in the hope that you're right.

I never said "randomly" select someone. I said use logical reasoning to pick out people who have acted in a way that could be suspicious, then accuse them and observe what happens. That is completely different. "Investigate". What do you think we are doing? The only other way to investigate someone beyond discussing your thoughts with others and throwing accusations is to use special items, of which there are few that directly provide the user information and what they do provide is highly limited. With that logic anyone without some means of spying should sit back and wait till the people who do come forward and that is never going to work unless the game balance is horribly off.

 

It isn't a straight "they opposed this plan" or "they supported this GB or lynched this innocent". It is a piece of information that you take and consider based on what else they have said and done thus far and in previous games and you use it to form suspicions.

 

It sucks that we lost Tors. But we are still in a better situation now than if we had twiddled our thumbs all day.

 

RP coming later, if I get time.

Edited May 14, 2014 by lord Claincy Ffnord

[Mailliw73 he/him]

"I revealed myself to you all, you just didn't see."

-Collected on Chach Nan Chach, 13 seconds before death. Subject was an ardent, hung by nobles.

And a note: the fabrial in the writeup was not a specific one, it was just to show that Tors was an Artifabrian. Thanks Jost for giving me a way to tell the date.

Edited May 15, 2014 by Mailliw73

[GreyPilgrim he/him]

Grellin began to make his way back to the barracks from Tion's party. It had been a long day, to say the least. One that had ended in blood. The way Tion and Jost had attacked the man sickened Grellin. And Tors had been an Antifabrian! A very important person. Was this what the Alethi had become? Murderers? But he shouldn't be so quick to judge. The following days could well see Grellin himself the one cutting someone's throat.

As he fell into a rhythm, he began to feel a bit comforted. Walking did that for him. Few understood the value of a good walk. All those nobles and their palanquins and carriages. It was so extravagant! Grellin considered himself a soldier first and foremost. Such was what the Almighty had meant him to be.

And what was a soldier's jib? To kill, but with good reason and for a greater cause. With the king dead, he could only see it as his duty to kill, if that was what it took to sustain Alethkar.

Almighty willing, he would make it out of this alive.

Though he didn't notice them in the dark, fearspren were being left in his wake the whole way back.

[Adolin_Dustbringer]

Dang. But we can now be near certain that the GB have a reverser which is very important information.

 

 

I want to start this by saying that I find your assumption that I am accusing randomly mildly offensive. I have clearly stated why I voted for you and it has nothing to do with chance.

 

I will try to put this as clearly as I can:

There are a couple of different levels on which you can play this game or schools of thought on how to play. One level is where you rely heavily on the spying roles and look at who voted for people who turn out to be innocent and who voted for people who turned out to be GB. Players following this school of thought/playing on this level tend not to vote unless they are reasonably certain of their target hoping to avoid killing innocents as much as possible. For someone following this school of thought lynching someone on the first day is indeed useless.

 

The other way to play involves gathering as much information as possible and using it not just to try to understand and sort through players actions, but also to consider what they say, how they act and how that contrasts with how they have acted in the past. Furthermore this playstyle involves figuring out how people are attempting to manipulate others and why and using that to sort out their alignment and roles. To someone playing on this level the information we gained from the discussion and voting today was extremely useful.

 

Jim Bob Dirt: (2) Fnorf, Tors,

Sprenil: (0) Tion, Tors

Pailan: (0) Awes

Tors: (2) Tion, Pailan, Joe

Jain: (1) Wurum, Xanas

Macen: (0) Xanas

 

This list tells us a lot, as do the arguments that were made that aren't shown in this simple list. Am I saying that I now know who at least 1 GB is? No of course not. However for everyone who chooses to look into it there is a wealth of information here that will be extremely useful in the days to come. If we hadn't started throwing accusations around we would have nothing to go on at all and who the GB killed tonight would give us no more information than that that person wasn't a GB. Now it could be quite interesting.

 

Now to respond directly to what you said:

Of course arbitrary accusations aren't reliable. But if it leads to arguments and discussion it does give us the information we need to make better accusations. However, the accusations so far (at least some of them, mine included) have been far from arbitrary.

 

Examples of information:

Somebody proposes a plan for finding information. -information

Aspren encourages everyone to kill him. -information

Somebody opposes the plan for gathering information. -information

Who does and does not vote for Aspren. -information

etc

 

Your original post that made me vote for you:

"No point". No point in gathering information? No point in trying to draw out the GB? If the nobles stay passive in this game the GB will almost certainly win. Unless we actively seek out information through accusations and voting we are completely reliant and the people with spying roles to learn anything and the odds of winning through that are very poor. This statement you made is arguing against gathering information and trying to spread the feeling that voting at all is pointless. Whether lynching someone or not is worthwhile is something very open to debate. Whether voting and accusing people to gather information is worthwhile is a different story. Attempting to reduce the amount of information gathered benefits the GB immensely, hence I voted for you.

 

I never said "randomly" select someone. I said use logical reasoning to pick out people who have acted in a way that could be suspicious, then accuse them and observe what happens. That is completely different. "Investigate". What do you think we are doing? The only other way to investigate someone beyond discussing your thoughts with others and throwing accusations is to use special items, of which there are few that directly provide the user information and what they do provide is highly limited. With that logic anyone without some means of spying should sit back and wait till the people who do come forward and that is never going to work unless the game balance is horribly off.

 

It isn't a straight "they opposed this plan" or "they supported this GB or lynched this innocent". It is a piece of information that you take and consider based on what else they have said and done thus far and in previous games and you use it to form suspicions.

 

It sucks that we lost Tors. But we are still in a better situation now than if we had twiddled our thumbs all day.

 

RP coming later, if I get time.

Sure there's a point in gathering info, I'm not opposed to that. My question is what info you can really get from accusations in the first day. Last game we lynched plenty of people who SEEMED suspicious. But how many of those people who seemed suspicious actually turned out to be PK? Already this game we've killed an innocent with an important role. How many more is it worth to kill for your supposed "information"?

 

Honestly though, what's done is done. No point in arguing any further. We shouldn't be divisive; that's exactly what the GB want most.

[GreyPilgrim he/him]

"I revealed myself to you all, you just didn't see."

-Collected on Chach Nan Chach, 13 seconds before death. Subject was an ardent, hung by nobles.

And a note: the fabrial in the writeup was not a specific one, it was just to show that Tors was an Artifabrian. Thanks Jost for giving me a way to tell the date.

Interesting. I saw the word "antifabrian" nested in one of his posts, but didn't really think anything of it. I guess that's a failure on my part. Good first Death Cry though. That's a very cool part of this game!

Edited for failure to post in blue.

Edited May 15, 2014 by GreyPilgrim

[Lightsworn Panda he/him]

Look at your reputation level, Grey. Coincidences are quite common, it seems.

We really can't investigate or guess who are the GB. We have no hard evidence, and they've not let slip any clues or giveaways. Maybe we should investigate the ones that don't post a lot.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Thanks Jost for giving me a way to tell the date.

 

No Problem. Now can I have a Shardblade?

Calander Stuff

1 Year =10 months=100 weeks=500 days         Dates are written as Month, Week, Day, Year, Era.

1 month=10 weeks=50 days                              So Chach, Nan, Chach, 1173, EoS is the 3rd day of the 2nd week of the    

1 week=5 days.                                                 3rd month of the 1173rd year of the Era of Solitude.

(The Era of Windhelm is Next)

The numbers can be found on the Ten Essences Chart. and Tomorrow is Chach, Nan, Vev.

 

Nightfall of Chach, Nan, Chach

Penned by My Sister Sani

I have reasons to believe that People have been reading this Journal. I may need to be more Cautious now in What I say.

It was very disheartening that the Ardent had to die. The first day, and more innocent blood has been spilled. He didn't do much to defend himself though, and Brightness Tion did have a Wise reason for it. But his death proved his innocence. Now that the Most Suspicious one has Died, I'll need to Focus my Efforts on, the, Hm... I just said that people might have been reading this, and now I plainly state my Suspicions? That isneither Wise nor Cautious, two traits we need desparately right now.

~Jost Joslin

Edited May 15, 2014 by The Final Joe

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I do know about the Rosharan calendar, but thanks for giving me a reference to base the Death cries off of.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

According to the List, Xanas voted for Macen, But according to this Post, Xanas retracted his Vote. Was this a mistake or a Reverser?

[Alvron]

If someone dies/lynched without an heir like Tors was, will any items they have be revealed or are they kept secret?  Maybe just the number of items or the class type be revealed?

 

Draining his glass Alv listened as the messenger related the death or Tors to him.  It seems that the party had gotten a little tense.  Good thing I didn't go.  They would love to have a reason to kill a one-eye like me. 

 

Dismissing the messenger, Alv left the seedy tavern and strolled out into the market.  Most of the shopkeepers had closed up for the night but a few were still hawking their wares.  Purchasing some food, he slowly made his way to Roion's warcamp.

 

Nodding to the guards standing just outside the camp, Alv ignored to glares they gave back as he passed between them.  As he reached his tenement he heard soft footfalls behind him.  Spinning around he levelled his quarterstaff at the small boy that had tried to creep up behind him.

 

"Damnation Jack, what have I told you about sneaking up on me?" Yay. Jac's back.

"Sorry but I couldn't resist.  Highprince Roion sent me to find you.  He wants to see you first thing in the morning."

"Fine, did he give you any idea why?"

"Nope.  He was in a meeting with Vamah for most of the day though."

"Thanks you little scamp.  But be careful, if anyone sees you spying on the highprince they won't hesitate to kill you."

"Don't worry about me.  Your the only one that's seen me so far.  I still want to know how you found me that day.  I could've sworn that no one could see me."

 

Turning away Alv spoke over his shoulder. "One day I might tell you. But for now you will just have to be happy with the money I pay you.  Tell Ron everything you saw, he'll have your payment as usual."

 

Leaving Jack behind him, Alv headed into his apartment and removed his gloves, revealing the mottled colours staining his hands.

 

I finally thought of a way to bring something from Fron into my characters.  Mottled skin and lifesense.