The Alleymatics

[MacThorstenson he/him]

This is the official definition that Me and voidus agree should be used for Alleymatics. Its what I've been using sense April, and I talked with Voidus and he said it should be used as the official system.

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Alleymatics is both the study of the alleyverse, and the power of manipulating it.

In order to manipulate it, you need to know it. And how better to know something, then make it? So if you create something that is added to the alleyverse, then you have complete control over it.*

Voidus created the entire thing, and he has complete control over everything. Mac worked heavily on the dark alleys (and many other things), and their spacial manipulation, so Mac can control space  to an extent with alleymatics (among other things).

The other way you can learn to use alleymatics is by studying something, until you know everything about it. Then once you know as much about it as the creator, that you could create it yourself, then you can control it. This however takes centuries of study for the more advanced stuff. Or a few minutes with about 2 dozen spikes of knowledge.

The simple stuff, like matter manipulation, only takes months. But you would need to study for months to get complete control over a specific type of object, like an alleyverse specific plant.

This is different than just scientific knowledge, this is an instinctive knowing, that comes from a complete understanding. That's why it takes so long. But its possible to learn a little and control a little at a time.

*Note that it is important that whatever is created is alleyverse specific. Alleymatics only works on alleyverse stuff, not otherthings. So you can't control allomatic metals, cuz they are from the cosmere. Same with most types of investiture. Iceblades on the other hand, they can be learnt about and controlled, same with things like they alleystorm, and the Dark Alleys, and the Void.

Please don't Metaplay with this. If your characters wouldn't know about alleymatics, they cant use it. I'm only putting this out here so that no ones confused when it does get used. If your characters would know about it, then they can use use it, but its pretty guarded information that's known to like 2 or three people. (Voidus and Mac, and maybe Lopen).

Edited October 15, 2018 by MacThorstenson

[Archer he/him]

Thanks for the post, Mac.

I appreciate how similar Alleymatics is to Brandon Magic Systems™. Unlike normal interactions, where energy is applied to an object to alter it, the object itself has power that can be commanded. If the entire universe is imbued with this energy, masters of Alleymatics are only limited by their mental capacity.

The key to all this is the commands. Those who know Alleymatics have some way of communicating their desires to the energy of the universe. After that, they just need to know enough about the target to be able to intelligently manipulate it. (Winging it would be very bad. Messing with that much energy is liable to cause a sizable explosion if you make a mistake.) I’m reminded of the telekinesis in Defending Elysium. What will need to be studied is whether, like in DE, the commands can be blocked. Next time I feel like starting an armageddon, I might try shutting down Voidus in such a way.

The other thing that warrants further study is if an Epic with the ability to create matter could use Alleymatics. If they create matter, is it automatically charged with the power of the universe? I doubt they’d consciously know how the matter is created, but they have to subconsciously know, so it’s possible they could master Alleymatics. I have trouble seeing how anyone else could easily hack the system. Even if you think you’ve made something new, you’re working with components that were there before. The thing they create would have to be created out of the raw Alleyverse energy, and that’s beyond most people’s capabilities.

[MacThorstenson he/him]

17 minutes ago, Archer said:

The key to all this is the commands. Those who know Alleymatics have some way of communicating their desires to the energy of the universe. After that, they just need to know enough about the target to be able to intelligently manipulate it.

Thank you for you your response.

I would say that this is on the right track, but a little off. At least to my view of what alleymatics was/is. Those who know alleymatics can communicate their ideas to the energy of an object. The reason that knowing the object is so important is because it allows you to communicate with that object.

24 minutes ago, Archer said:

The other thing that warrants further study is if an Epic with the ability to create matter could use Alleymatics. If they create matter, is it automatically charged with the power of the universe? I doubt they’d consciously know how the matter is created, but they have to subconsciously know, so it’s possible they could master Alleymatics. I have trouble seeing how anyone else could easily hack the system. Even if you think you’ve made something new, you’re working with components that were there before. The thing they create would have to be created out of the raw Alleyverse energy, and that’s beyond most people’s capabilities.

I would say that if they are creating original matter that is alleyverse specific, then they could control it, but if they are creating something general, like allomatic metals or dirt or rock, then they couldn't use alleymatics on it. I agree with the rest of that post though.

[Gancho Libre he/him]

So, when you say 'complete control', you mean that Voidus, if he wanted to, could just obliterate the Alleys in the blink of an eye, or change it into a completely different format, etc?

And anyone can do this for anything they create in the Alleys?

[MacThorstenson he/him]

7 minutes ago, Gancho Libre said:

So, when you say 'complete control', you mean that Voidus, if he wanted to, could just obliterate the Alleys in the blink of an eye, or change it into a completely different format, etc?

And anyone can do this for anything they create in the Alleys?

Yes Voidus does indeed have this ability.

Yes, Anyone can do this for anything they create in the alleys, if they knew that they could. Unfortunately no one knows about the specifics of this except for Mac and Voidus and maybe lopen. 

Ive kept this close to the chest because I didn't want this to be RP breaking, and I wanted some kind of benefit for founders and/or people who made stuff in the alleyverse. I figured that anyone who takes the time to create something major and add it to the alleyverse, deserves some kind of boost to power and would be invested enough in the alleyverse to not troll and be RP breaking with its OP'ness.

[Gancho Libre he/him]

okay. Thanks!

[Minato™]

 

1 hour ago, MacThorstenson said:

Yes Voidus does indeed have this ability.

Yes, Anyone can do this for anything they create in the alleys, if they knew that they could. Unfortunately no one knows about the specifics of this except for Mac and Voidus and maybe lopen. 

Ive kept this close to the chest because I didn't want this to be RP breaking, and I wanted some kind of benefit for founders and/or people who made stuff in the alleyverse. I figured that anyone who takes the time to create something major and add it to the alleyverse, deserves some kind of boost to power and would be invested enough in the alleyverse to not troll and be RP breaking with its OP'ness.

Can players that didn't found the alleyverse still get this ability unlocked for them if they really tried or will it just be a thing for them?

[MacThorstenson he/him]

1 hour ago, MinatoRising said:

 

Can players that didn't found the alleyverse still get this ability unlocked for them if they really tried or will it just be a thing for them?

I think I mentioned it in the og post. Characters can study items out and learn about them and learn to control them. Also if they add anything to the alleyverse, then they can control that. So you can create things and if they get picked up as a concept, then good for you, your characters can use alleymatics. Like my guess is @Ark1002 can manipulate the boundless realms far beyond what normal characters can, because he created them. 

[+Ark1002]

Yes, that is helpful.

[Guest]

Can't just make a character and say "they spent their entire life studying alleymatics" and then proceed to go blow things up, though. Demonstrating some understanding 

 

Update: Will the Alleymatics wiki page be updated with this info?

https://alleyverse.wikia.com/wiki/Alleymatics

Edited October 16, 2018 by PrinceDusty

[MetaTerminal he/him]

Will the Alleymatics page be updated?

...yes. Eventually. When I’ve finished procrastinating. Did I say procrastinating? I meant working. Definitely.

[MacThorstenson he/him]

36 minutes ago, PrinceDusty said:

Can't just make a character and say "they spent their entire life studying alleymatics" and then proceed to go blow things up, though. Demonstrating some understanding 

 

Update: Will the Alleymatics wiki page be updated with this info?

https://alleyverse.wikia.com/wiki/Alleymatics

yes, in theory, but they would have had to find out about it first, which is tough, second, its unlikely that any character can start out with alleymatics, they would have to learn about it in RP.

[xinoehp512 he/him]

If someone Connected enough with an object or idea, would that give them Alleymatic control?

[MacThorstenson he/him]

53 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said:

If someone Connected enough with an object or idea, would that give them Alleymatic control?

I’m going to go with no, because connection is primarily a cosmere concept, and the alleys are supposed to be an inbetween place. I’m trying to make it so that a magic system for the alleys won’t have any hacks that bias it toward any one universe. 

[xinoehp512 he/him]

There are cosmere-specific ways. I know hemalurgy is sort of an alleyverse thing, but imagine there are other ways to accomplish the same thing, with significant effort. I wasn't expecting Connection to have a huge impact on the system because you would need an insane amount of it to get the kind of knowledge and control you would need.

(sorry if this comes off as hostility)

[MacThorstenson he/him]

6 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said:

There are cosmere-specific ways. I know hemalurgy is sort of an alleyverse thing, but imagine there are other ways to accomplish the same thing, with significant effort. I wasn't expecting Connection to have a huge impact on the system because you would need an insane amount of it to get the kind of knowledge and control you would need.

(sorry if this comes off as hostility)

Oh don’t worry about it. I enjoy people trying to poke holes in my stuff. 

Though there may be technical reasons why it could be logical for you you to hack the system, I’m not sure the mods are going to let anyone’s character have this power without a whole lot of work. This was, intended to be a motivation for people to create cool and meaningful things and add them to the alleyverse. Increase the world building a little. While you could technically hack it, it kinda wrecks the spirit of Alleymatics. 

[Voidus]

41 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said:

There are cosmere-specific ways. I know hemalurgy is sort of an alleyverse thing, but imagine there are other ways to accomplish the same thing, with significant effort. I wasn't expecting Connection to have a huge impact on the system because you would need an insane amount of it to get the kind of knowledge and control you would need.

(sorry if this comes off as hostility)

I would say yes but the Connection would need to be stored by someone who could already use Alleymatics for something and would only work for that thing. You would also need a lot of Connection. So compounding at a minimum.

Essentially: Possible but not practical.

[xinoehp512 he/him]

Ok then. I'm still a little confused about what you mean by "creating something that is added to the alleyverse". If I come up with an idea and post about it, would my characters get alleymatic control?

[MacThorstenson he/him]

3 hours ago, xinoehp512 said:

Ok then. I'm still a little confused about what you mean by "creating something that is added to the alleyverse". If I come up with an idea and post about it, would my characters get alleymatic control?

Essentially. Im not sure about what the mods would consider "add to the alleyverse" to be though. In hindsight, this could result in a lot of spam on the forum. @Voidus what do you think would qualify for that?

But essentially, yes. That is what I intended.please try to make is cool and useful. And don't just do this to spam control of a lot of stuff.

[Voidus]

2 hours ago, MacThorstenson said:

Essentially. Im not sure about what the mods would consider "add to the alleyverse" to be though. In hindsight, this could result in a lot of spam on the forum. @Voidus what do you think would qualify for that?

But essentially, yes. That is what I intended.please try to make is cool and useful. And don't just do this to spam control of a lot of stuff.

We'll probably manage on a case-by-case basis. If it results in unnecessary spam we may have to lay down some rules but we have a great community so I trust that people will do the right thing.
Basically, put some time and thought into anything you create, don't spam multiple posts or threads, and don't recreate something that already exists outside the Alleyverse.

[+Ark1002]

In essence, Boundless Worlds, Alleystorm, yes. Talking cheeseburgers, no.

[+ElephantEarwax he/him]

But why? I would personally love to control talking cheeseburgers.

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