Where's WalDo: The Kandra Worldhopper

[goody153]

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 But what about Feruchemy? Now, it could be argued that it is a mix of both Ruin and Preservation

It's you are right about that. It is indeed both ruin and preservation, Which makes Sazed being the hero of ages more brilliant

Also about Preservation and Ruin creating people in Scadrial there's alot of reference about this and Brandon just casually mentioning it like this

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CHAOS (17 OCTOBER 2008)

Would the Three Metallic Arts operate in other worlds, or are they direct results of Ruin and Preservation and thus only operate in Scadrial?

BRANDON SANDERSON (20 OCTOBER 2008)

To use Feruchemy or Allomancy in almost every case, one must have the right spiritual and genetic codes, imprinted upon people during the creation of Scadrial by Ati and Leras. To use Hemalurgy, one must first have someone with these right spiritual and genetic codes, then take the power from them. Other people on other worlds are not going to simply discover the Three Metallic Arts by accident.

that's not the only time i've read a WoB mentioned it or an annotation of him says this

Also you have to remember that if another shard did something at the creation of the people of Scadrial his essence should be left there and there's also might be another injected magic system outside the 3 metallic arts

Edited August 22, 2016 by goody153

[zeppomarks]

Fair points, @goody153. I've seen those WoBs, too. But, of course, if anyone but Ati and Leras had anything to do with the creation of Scadrial, I doubt he would talk about it.

What kind of essence would the third shard leave behind? As far as I know there are no examples of a shard leaving their shardworld willingly, so I'm not sure if this conjecture holds up. Like, Ruin has the crystals and Atium in the Pits of Hathsin and Preservation has the mists, but both of those shards are still on Scadrial, so those examples are moot. Then you've got Devotion, Dominion, and Honor, all of whom were killed by Odium and didn't actually leave their shardworld, thus their shards splintered but are still a part of their respected shardworlds. There is no evidence of what might happen if a shard were to willingly leave their shardworld.

As for the extra magic system, I still hold to my hypothesis that Feruchemy is that magic system. There's not really anything about it that reflects Ruin's influence. Plus, there's the peculiarity of when the magic systems seemed to arise. Before Rashek's ascension, Feruchemy was common, however, Allomancy didn't exist until the Lerasium beads were consumed by him and his supporters. And as far as we know, no Hemalurgic being existed prior to The Lord Ruler creating them. Now, to be fair, I have no idea what this means, but it definitely makes Feruchemy stand out among the three in a really odd way.

[goody153]

There's alot of problems/inconsistencies that shouldn't have been done if another shard was part of Scadrial creation.

1. Remember that if a shard is part of the creation and has involvement in alot of things that would mean he/she is stuck in that planet lest leaving a huge chunk of him/her. 
2. Sazed should've not have a free reign over the people of Scadrial if there was another shard involved. Like how Ruin managed to change the content of the metal mind if it wasn't part of him
3. There was never a mention of a 3rd creator, or even essence or any hint that there was a third shard involved even in Secret History or in the words of Ruin when he was talking to Vin in HoA(Ruin only said he and preservation made a deal, and a third shard can't just inject himself freely without the other two shards allowing it .. remember that all shards have equal power just different intent ) there's also no reason for him to withdraw such information if that was the case.

 Here's another one of the relevant WoB

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QUESTION

Feruchemy is the "balance" between Ruin and Preservation. Would any combination of Shards create a "balance" magic, so to speak, or are only certain Shards compatible?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Feruchemy ended up being a balance system, because of how polar Ruin and Preservation were. Any world with at least two Shards will result in a similar phenomenon

 

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INTERVIEW: Oct 12th, 2015

Shadows of Self-Oak Brook, IL

QUESTION

Allomancy is of Preservation, correct?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Yes...

QUESTION

What are Feruchemy and Hemalurgy of?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Hemalurgy is definitely of Ruin.

QUESTION

Is it of pure Ruin?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Yes. That's a very Ruin thing. And Feruchemy is more of a blend. Though… there is more philosophy to that and human construct—like the Allomantic table—than I think I’ve made clear before

anyways i think it's possible that another shard visited at one point maybe but not in the process of creation

Edited August 22, 2016 by goody153

[zeppomarks]

Ah, nice! I really need to read Secret History. There's still a lot nitpicky stuff about the Mistborn books that don't make sense to me, but it seems like every time a new book is released, everything I thought I knew gets shaken up. I love these books.

[Djarskublar he/him]

@zeppomarks well one thing that should be made clear, there were Allomancers pre TLR. Just in the way that SoScads have Allomancers. They were very rare, and not super powerful. Feruchemists were also not exactly common. (does anyone know if every feruchemist back then was full, or if Ferrings have been a thing all along and nobody realized it). Hemalurgy was also always a thing, but people didn't discover it by accident... why would they? And the Shards weren't talking.

[zeppomarks]

@Djarskublar I wasn't aware of that. Is that a WoB or in one of the books? The Coppermind does say that Feruchemy was the only Metallic Art that was in "widespread use" before TLR's ascension, but there's no citation, so I have no idea where that info comes from. Any help would be appreciated.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

I have a crazy theory that full Feruchemists are as natural as Mistborn. (As in, they really aren't.)  Basically my idea is that whoever took up the Well before Rashek used it's power to create Feruchemists among his/her people. (Or the means by which they became Feruchemists.) Those people became the Terris. It would also explain how they knew so much.

Brandon has refused to tell us where the first Feruchemists came from, which is why I don't think it's natural. This was my explanation. I'm sure there are better ones... has Brandon said anything about the cycles before the Rashek incident?

[DeTess she/her]

On 8/22/2016 at 10:47 AM, zeppomarks said:

@Djarskublar I wasn't aware of that. Is that a WoB or in one of the books? The Coppermind does say that Feruchemy was the only Metallic Art that was in "widespread use" before TLR's ascension, but there's no citation, so I have no idea where that info comes from. Any help would be appreciated.

This information likely comes from the diary that wasn't from the lord ruler in mistborn. In it, mention is made of feruchemy, but none of allomancy (actually, the writer does mention sensing bronze pulses, but doesn't recognize them as such).

[Ciridae]

I think I may have found something. What about Leyten, one of the other injured bridgemen?  It would have been easy for WalDo (amazing name by the way!) to slip in, replace one of the bridgemen, and then pretend to be nurtured to health again. I agree that a kandra worldhopper would want to be in a position close to one of the protagonists.

Kaladin saves his life after one of the bridgerun. From the Coppermind:

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 Kaladin notes that Leyten will always have a limp from his injuries, although Leyten is never thereafter described as walking with a limp. notes that Leyten will always have a limp from his injuries, although Leyten is never thereafter described as walking with a limp.

Seems suspicious...

[Kurkistan he/him]

An alternative explanation is that Leyten healed by way of squiring, and his not limping is supposed to be a hint in that direction.

Edited August 29, 2016 by Kurkistan

[zeppomarks]

On 8/29/2016 at 3:00 AM, randuir said:

This information likely comes from the diary that wasn't from the lord ruler in mistborn. In it, mention is made of feruchemy, but none of allomancy (actually, the writer does mention sensing bronze pulses, but doesn't recognize them as such).

Ah. Well (pun totally intended), if it was from Allendi's journal then it's likely suspect information. The amount of that journal that Ruin tampered with makes most of the information unusable, or, at least, of questionable validity. Unreliable narrator, indeed. lol

[RenegadeShroom]

I'd like to point out that Hemalurgy was definitely known on classical Scadrial. People viewed Hemalurgic piercings as a means of communication with a god.

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VEGASDEV (16 OCTOBER 2008)

Alendi's "Piercings of the Hero"?

BRANDON SANDERSON (17 OCTOBER 2008)

This is part of the manipulation Ruin did during the classical era on Scadrial, before the coming of the Lord Ruler. Piercings, and Hemalurgy, were part of the world before the coming of Allomancy in its modern form. Then, they were seen as a means of communicating with deity—which, indeed, they were. Ruin manipulated this to make sure any Hero of Ages who came would be under his influence. The reference is included mostly to indicate that yes, Alendi was under Ruin's influence. He ignored Rashek, though. (At least, right up to the moment when everything went 'wrong' for Ruin, when Rashek killed his chosen Hero of Ages.

 

[MoS03]

WalDo... The Ardent Adolin talks to in the soulcasting tent is described as behaving differently than Adolin expects. Minor character involved in some pretty serious stuff...

 

Edit: I can post name and page number soon if no one beats me to it.

Edited September 1, 2016 by MoS03

[Magestar he/him]

Is this Ardent Zahel?  I don't have a copy of WoR on me, and I don't know where the spot you are talking about is, but if it is Zahel, then we might have some answers for you.   

[MoS03]

Got sidetracked. Definitely not Vasher. It's the Ardent that Adolin talks to in the soulcasting tent when they build the wind break for highstorms. I misplaced my book, or else I'd cite pages/chapter.

[Tariniel he/him]

I'm not quite sure where I read this, but I saw a thread somewhere that claimed VenDell's description in BoM starts at a "dark brown coat" and then lightens up throughout the book, finally reaching a tan coloring. This seems suspiciously like he has Breaths... Haven't had a chance to look this up, but if anyone can find the original post and quote it here, I'd be much obliged. Seems like a strong candidate for our rogue kandra friend!

[The One Who Connects he/him]

@Tariniel  It's the original post of this topic

 

[Nightblade]

The person that comes to my mind is the guy from the interludes named Baxil, Who was working for Kriss the world jumper, Which just happens to be one of the most knowledge about the cosmere 

[Darkness he/him]

Nazh is working for Khriss, Baxil is working for Shalash

[Nightblade]

On 8/31/2016 at 0:48 PM, Sand Master said:

I was reading through Way of Kings again, and I noticed something very odd. On Kaladin's first bridge run, there is an unnamed bridgeman who says, "Talenelat'Elin, bearer of all agonies." The bearer of all agonies part interests me, because it clearly refers to the fact that he is the only Herald still being tortured in death, while all the other Heralds broke the Oathpact and are still alive. However, all of the common people believe that the Heralds won, stopped the cycle of Desolations, and chased the Voidbringers into the Tranquiline Halls. That being the case, how does this random bridgeman seem to know this information about Taln when nobody else does?

Additionally, he is described as being old and leathery-faced. I don't know how much older he would be than Kaladin, but I imagine it's pretty significant, especially when you consider the physical strength and stamina needed for a bridgeman. How would such an old man have survived carrying bridges long enough to know the ins and outs of how the whole process worked? He knew enough to tell Kaladin tips for making the carrying easier, knew not to make Gaz mad, and was able to look for the signs to see that the current bridge run was "going to be a bad one". It seems odd that someone so apparently old would be strong enough to survive carrying bridges as long as he must have.

The man also is the only bridgeman we see to show any kindness at all to Kaladin, while all the other bridgemen are pretty much completely dead inside. Much like Kaladin when he becomes "the wretch," they don't care about anything or anyone. So why does this bridgeman, who has clearly gone on at least a few runs before (and it seems likely that it's more than just a few), suddenly help Kaladin without any real reason to do so?

Could this leathery faced man be the kandra and replace one of the dead bridgeman?

 

[Nightblade]

17 hours ago, Darkness said:

Nazh is working for Khriss, Baxil is working for Shalash

How do you know this?

[BeskarKomrk he/him]

1 minute ago, Nightblade said:

How do you know this?

We know that Nazh is working for Khriss from various WoB and, more importantly, Mistborn: Secret History.

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QUESTION

Is Baxil's Mistress destroying statues of the Herald Shalash?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Yes. Actually in the prologue her statue is missing because Baxil's mistress came through.

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We know from this quote that Baxil's Mistress is specifically destroying statues of Shalash, at multiple points in time. Kind of an odd thing for Khriss to do. There's also a Death Rattle that suggests that Shalash (Jezrien's daughter per WoB) is destroying representations of herself.

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A woman sits and scratches out her own eyes. Daughter of kings and winds, the vandal.

See this post also: 

 

[Nightblade]

1 minute ago, BeskarKomrk said:

We know that Nazh is working for Khriss from various WoB and, more importantly, Mistborn: Secret History.

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We know from this quote that Baxil's Mistress is specifically destroying statues of Shalash, at multiple points in time. Kind of an odd thing for Khriss to do. There's also a Death Rattle that suggests that Shalash (Jezrien's daughter per WoB) is destroying representations of herself.

See this post also: 

 

But how do you know Vasher is working for Kriss.

[BeskarKomrk he/him]

1 minute ago, Nightblade said:

But how do you know Vasher is working for Kriss.

Who said Vasher is working with Khriss? I said Nazh is working for Khriss. Vasher and Nazh are two different people; Vasher uses the name Zahel on Roshar. As far as I'm aware, nobody has ever suggested Vasher is working with Khriss (though it's kind of interesting now that you mention it).

[Nightblade]

14 hours ago, BeskarKomrk said:

Who said Vasher is working with Khriss? I said Nazh is working for Khriss. Vasher and Nazh are two different people; Vasher uses the name Zahel on Roshar. As far as I'm aware, nobody has ever suggested Vasher is working with Khriss (though it's kind of interesting now that you mention it).

sorry i got mixed up with another post