Hemalurgic Compounding? (spiking something already spiked)

[Cyanic he/him]

Let's say you (iron) spike 2 Koloss into a human host, would that human then have the strength of those two Koloss? (or the equivalent of 8 human-strength iron spikes) And would that mean there's less spirit web damage since the host is being pierced with only 2 spikes?

[Calderis he/him]

It takes 4 spikes with "human strength" to make a Koloss. 

I highly doubt you could take that without the spikes themselves. There is a WoB asking if Hemalurgically granted traits can be stolen with hemalurgy 

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Questioner

Can hemalurgy be used to steal hemalurgically granted powers?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, technically.

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I think that "technically" means that you could remove the spike, though others disagree with me. 

In short, to make a "double Koloss" I think you'd need 8 spikes, which would probably really mess someone up. 4 already make Koloss pretty mentally unstable. 

[recneps he/him]

Of course, depending on bind points used, you could probably incur smaller abnormal changes.. Even so, 10 spikes - 4 each from the koloss, 2 from koloss-host - is a lot.

[+Ark1002]

I disagree with @Calderis, I think it just means it would be hard, because your taking a part of a soul that is grafted to a soul. I think it would be possible, would take an incredible skill level with Hemalurgy.

[Calderis he/him]

36 minutes ago, Ark1002 said:

I disagree with @Calderis, I think it just means it would be hard, because your taking a part of a soul that is grafted to a soul. I think it would be possible, would take an incredible skill level with Hemalurgy.

The reason that I disagree is because the way the hemalurgy works. The granted attribute never "leaves" the spike. It has to be placed precisely in a bindpoint so that what's contained meshes correctly with the spiritweb. 

How do you spike the attribute out of a spike? 

[Voidus]

I lean towards @Calderis's interpretation as well, but I do go back and forth a bit on it.

Given that your spiritweb isn't a physical thing you wouldn't necessarily have to place the spike in the same physical location as the other spike in order to steal the Spiritual aspect. But I think if it was possible the best you could hope for would be that the piece of spiritweb would fracture between both spikes, after all the original spike is still inside the host and still in a bindpoint so it should be holding onto the spiritweb fragment as well.

[BitBitio he/him]

This will probably get shot down in no time flat, but...

 

Perhaps if you were to spike the spike, pierce it through basically, that could steal from the spike. 

Confusing. 

[Slimy_Slider]

Like how a feruchemical metalmind can be broken into pieces which will each have their own charge, a hemalurgically charged spike which is itself pierced by another spike could effectively fuse into a single spike, which would spit the charge up when separated. Spikes can be melted down without losing their charge (see Spook's earring at the end of SH) so this might be possible?

Probably not how it would work, but hey, crackpot theories are the best kind.

[Quantus he/him]

On 8/2/2018 at 0:51 AM, Calderis said:

The reason that I disagree is because the way the hemalurgy works. The granted attribute never "leaves" the spike. It has to be placed precisely in a bindpoint so that what's contained meshes correctly with the spiritweb. 

How do you spike the attribute out of a spike? 

Since the harvest bind point and the implantation bind point are not necessarily the same location, so at least the physician side of the process would in most cased/combinations.  The spirit-chunk doesnt leave the Spike but it does graft/blend onto the base web (enough that Kolos-blooded became a thing), thought the spike remains as the physical bridge to make the graft take.  From there I think you'd just be spiking off a new cut/region of the spiritweb that may or may not include some of the original graft.  Id assume that more fractured graft would not function as well as a more "whole graft" and may require the sort of general Binding spike that Inquisitors needed.