SzethIsBadAsHell he/him Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 The Fused show up during the end of WoR. I assumed that they spawned in the Everstorm . but after I think about it and how we saw it done in Oathbringer . The Listeners stood out in the storm and opened themselves up to it. This got me to Wondering did they cone in Everstorm, or were a few of them already been around a few months. Most if not all of the Listeners were in stormform and were actively. Singing to summon the storm. the stormfather told Dalinar the Everstorm was new: “THE EVERSTORM. IT IS A NEW THING, BUT OLD OF DESIGN. IT ROUNDS THE WORLD NOW, AND CARRIES WITH IT HIS SPREN. ANY OF THE OLD PEOPLE IT TOUCHES WILL TAKE ON THEIR NEW FORMS.” Excerpt From Words of Radiance Brandon Sandersonhttps://itunes.apple.com/us/book/words-of-radiance/id717847678?mt=11 This material may be protected by copyright. So how did the Fused in previous desolation summon the spren to respawn a. Fused? Was a Unmade Responsible? Did the singers have a ritual perhaps? What did Stormfather mean exactly by old design. I’m intrigued by that. Anybody have any ideas how this happened?
Jace21 he/him Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 I think you are misinterpreting something. There are no fused in WoR. There are only Storm Form parshendi. The storm form spren were attracted and trapped in the usual manner. We have no reason to believe they were bound elsewhere before that, just that the Listeners hadn't done anything to attract them pre-WoR. The Parshendi the merged with the spren during a regular high storm. These Storm Form Parshendi then summoned the Everstorm. Now in Oathbringer during the Everstorm we see the fused merge with Listeners and so gain physical form. But we also learn about the Oathpact amd that the fused used to return when the Heralds broke and returned to Roshar. Now my guess is that in the past, when the Heralds broke they returned to Roshar and a short time after the Fused followed. The Heralds then led the resistence, defeated the Fused and ended the Desolation. The Heralds then returned to Braize voluntarily and within a short period of time (unless they had died already). If they didnt then after a short period (probably the same time the Heralda have on Roshar before the fused show up) the fused were again released. The Heralds thought by Taln going back they could stay on Roshar without consequences and to an extent they were right. The Everstorm in the Modern day serves like a back door. The Fused can return via the Everstorm without needing to break a Herald or wait for the grace period to elapse . Hence infinite lives and the ability to fight forever until they win. Sadly we dont know exactly how the fused appeared on Roshar pre-Everstorm, but it doesnt really matter. The "old of design" was probably a reference that Odium had planned something like an Everstorm long ago but could not execute it. It is probably down to the weakness of the Heralds/Oathpact that he had been unable to.
ScavellTane Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 From my understanding is that when the Heralds break, all the Fused can cross over to Roshar through Shadesmar I believe. In the past the Singers would have willingly bonded the Fused for they see them as their gods.
SzethIsBadAsHell he/him Posted July 21, 2018 Author Posted July 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Jace21 said: think you are misinterpreting something. There are no fused in WoR. There are only Storm Form parshendi. The storm form spren were attracted and trapped in the usual manner. We have no reason to believe they were bound elsewhere before that, just that the Listeners hadn't done anything to attract them pre-WoR. The Parshendi the merged with the spren during a regular high storm. Ok you are correct in that the Fused were not in WoR. I somehow got confused. The chapter in WoR at the end where Graves and Moash were riding in the cart. I at first thought that was the scene in OB.where the Fused attacked Moash and Graves. How they appeared pre everstorm matters a lot. It will answer so many questions about the Fused and how they gained their forms of power. 5 hours ago, ScavellTane said: From my understanding is that when the Heralds break, all the Fused can cross over to Roshar through Shadesmar I believe. In the past the Singers would have willingly bonded the Fused for they see them as their gods. I agree with you that they were probably voluntearily gave up their bodies to their God’s. Just want to know why do they need the everstorm now. If they didn’t need it in the past?
ScavellTane Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 In the past if they die they are individually sent back to Braize. With the Everstorm, they don't. The death of the Heralds sends them all and Odium(?) back. The Everstorm is essentially infinite respawn.
Jace21 he/him Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 1 hour ago, SzethIsBadAsHell said: Ok you are correct in that the Fused were not in WoR. I somehow got confused. The chapter in WoR at the end where Graves and Moash were riding in the cart. I at first thought that was the scene in OB.where the Fused attacked Moash and Graves. How they appeared pre everstorm matters a lot. It will answer so many questions about the Fused and how they gained their forms of power. Their forms of power are from having certain voidspren in their genhearts, similar to how the Radiants powers come from their spren bond. When I said it wasnt important I meant the specific mechanic used for their return pre-Everstorm. Personally I am most interested about the 1st Desolation and their history with Hoid.
SzethIsBadAsHell he/him Posted July 21, 2018 Author Posted July 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Jace21 said: Their forms of power are from having certain voidspren in their genhearts, similar to how the Radiants powers come from their spren bond. When I said it wasnt important I meant the specific mechanic used for their return pre-Everstorm. Personally I am most interested about the 1st Desolation and their history with Hoid. Whoa , Hoid was around for the 1st desolation , yeah that is intriguing!
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, SzethIsBadAsHell said: Whoa , Hoid was around for the 1st desolation , yeah that is intriguing! I think he was saying he's mostly interested in two separate things, not that Hoid was around during the first Desolation. He was alive back then, but we don't know if he was on Roshar at the time.
Jace21 he/him Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 Actually they could easily be the same thing. In the epilogue of Oathbringer Hoid mentions that thoysands of years ago he had shared a dance with one of the fused. The most likely time for this to happen is the small window that the Listeners who became the fused were alive and before war/the 1st desolation began. Given that he was probably around for that window its not a huge stretch to imagine he was there for the 1st desolation. Or he could have fled Roshar once the 1st desolation became inevitable so that he could avoid Odium.
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