Undead Wookiee Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 So has Vasher been to Scadrial on his way to Roshar? I am about halfway through the Band of Mourning when I seen the section of Broadsheets asking about talking metal and to have them brought in.
imriel452 Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, Undead Wookiee said: So has Vasher been to Scadrial on his way to Roshar? I am about halfway through the Band of Mourning when I seen the section of Broadsheets asking about talking metal and to have them brought in. It wasn’t Vasher, but Khriss and Nazh who put that ad into the paper- good spot though!
Weltall Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 Also, Brandon has confirmed that Vasher has not been to any worlds we've not already seen him on: Quote shoeties Has Vasher ever been to a world other than Nalthis or Roshar, or was this his first time worldhopping? Brandon Sanderson Vasher has only been to Roshar and Nalthis, beyond places in Shadesmar. source As an aside, he's mentioned that Khriss and other Silverlight scholars know of Vasher and consider the Five Scholars to be their spiritual predecessors but he hasn't confirmed if the two have ever met. Given that Khriss specifically tracked down Wax to get direct information on the mechanics of being a Crasher, I'd be shocked if she hasn't at least attempted to do so by now, given how much she could theoretically learn from him. And if Nazh were to go with her, he and Vasher could see who could out-grump who. Darn, now I want to see that happen...
imriel452 Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Weltall said: Also, Brandon has confirmed that Vasher has not been to any worlds we've not already seen him on: As an aside, he's mentioned that Khriss and other Silverlight scholars know of Vasher and consider the Five Scholars to be their spiritual predecessors but he hasn't confirmed if the two have ever met. Given that Khriss specifically tracked down Wax to get direct information on the mechanics of being a Crasher, I'd be shocked if she hasn't at least attempted to do so by now, given how much she could theoretically learn from him. And if Nazh were to go with her, he and Vasher could see who could out-grump who. Darn, now I want to see that happen... I guess the grumping level would depend what Khriss has asked Nazh to do recently!
Ripheus23 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Quote Walin [PENDING REVIEW] Does Nightblood contain any of Ruin's Investiture? Like, not atium, but... Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes, technically; and I'm not wiggling around that, because technically, location in the Cosmere and who belongs to what gets really weird, right? Because Ruin's Investiture is everywhere--but I'm not talking that way. I'm talking the way you actually mean it. source For what it's worth. 1
goody153 Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 That wob is kinda interesting. How is Ruin's investiture part of Night blood exactly ? Because of the unfabricated intent to destroy albeit "evil" ? Is that how it happened ? Afaik even Hemalurgy can be used everywhere so long as the intent matches the shard himself.
+Invocation Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 Is that where the hidden chunk of Ruin's Investiture is, perhaps?
Calderis he/him Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Invocation said: Is that where the hidden chunk of Ruin's Investiture is, perhaps? I doubt that. The imbalance in Harmony should be in the investiture within his sphere of influence. What he's actually aware of. He has no reason to be aware of Nightblood yet. I imagine it more akin to what Autonomy has done with Patji. A accumulation of Ruin's Investiture outside of Harmony's (at the time Ati's) sphere of influence that was tapped into inadvertently. Nightblood is an accidental Splinter of Ruin, and Endowment stepped in intentionally to balance that. Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] When Nightblood created, was Endowment involved in any way more than normal? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Good question, you qualified that the right way! I would say yes, but maybe not to the extent you're thinking. Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Normal being using Endowment's Investiture to Awaken. There's something special. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] I would say, there is something special. source So Ruin is a mixed Splinter of Ruin and Endowment in my opinion.
ScavellTane Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 Could some amount of atium be present during Nightbloods creation? There was inter-planetary trade during the Final Empire.
Calderis he/him Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ScavellTane said: Could some amount of atium be present during Nightbloods creation? There was inter-planetary trade during the Final Empire. Quote Walin [PENDING REVIEW] Does Nightblood contain any atium? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] No. source That's from the same signing as both the Ruin and Endowment ones. The Ruin one was a follow-up to this question. Brandon was surprisingly forthcoming. Edited September 29, 2018 by Calderis
Ripheus23 Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 Is it possible that a steel Spike could have been transmitted via Shadesmar to Nalthis, melted down, and then, otherwise unbeknownst to the Five Scholars, used in the creation of Nightblood?
tmnsquirtle Posted September 30, 2018 Posted September 30, 2018 I think that what makes the most sense, assuming Nightblood does contain the investiture from two shards, is that there was some Ruin investiture hanging out on Nalthis for some reason and either his creation ate it, or he somehow came in contact with it pretty early on. The idea that one shard's magic system, which we know is already very well-defined because Brandon Sanderson, just happened to suck in some investiture from another shard without a ton of explanation seems pretty dubious to me. 1
Yata he/him Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 On 29/9/2018 at 10:04 PM, Ripheus23 said: Is it possible that a steel Spike could have been transmitted via Shadesmar to Nalthis, melted down, and then, otherwise unbeknownst to the Five Scholars, used in the creation of Nightblood? The Spike hypotesis would imply a lot more Preservation (and still a mostly meaningless amount) than Ruin (assuming there is some Ruin investiture in a Spike at all) in Nightblood. Probably the most likely scenatio is the one @Calderis proposes from some time... A local pack of Ruin's Investiture hanged out on Nalthis was tapped by Nightblood's nascent soul thanks to his Ruin-aligned Command.
goody153 Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 All shards have investiture everywhere even when don't know about it so yeah maybe the Ruin-aligned intent the command has kinda involuntarily drew the Ruin investiture
Calderis he/him Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 I'll just quote my post from the first page and expand on it a little. On 8/9/2018 at 10:30 PM, Calderis said: Earlier in the thread, when I said the command caused Nightblood to draw on Ruin, I did not say, and did not mean, Ati. I wish I could find the original WoB that this refers to but... Quote NeedsAdjustment You've said before that if a sentient computer were developed, it would call a soul into itself. Could it be Hemalurgically spiked? Brandon Sanderson Theoretically, yes, but I have no idea yet how the logistics of that would work. If a computer becoming sentient would draw a soul (composed of investiture) into itself, using absolutely no magic whatsoever then that soul would be drawn off of the investiture that is everywhere. I see no reason why Nightblood would be limited to prevent that. The things that we have learned recently about Autonomy have shown us that investiture for all of the Shards permeates the Cosmere. There are pockets of them all everywhere, not just where a Shard has chosen to invest. I think that the Awakening provided the initial spark needed to create a sentient being in Nightblood, and that then "called a soul unto itself" built around the command it was given. That command, to destroy, aligned Nightblood with Ruin, and so the soul drew on Ruin in its birth providing the investiture that is so unexplained. That mixture of Endowment through the method of its creation, and Ruin through its birth, create the mixture that we see manifest in the black "corrupted" investiture that he consumes and expels. He has investiture that is drawn from Ruin, while the Shard of Ruin is in no way consciously involved. I don't think this could happen other than through the "birth" of a new Splinter. Probably easiest to accomplish on Roshar with the way that spren form. Generally, without some means of access, I don't think that these pockets of a shards Investiture are going to be accessible at all. With any type of being that has a parent, be it a person or a Splinter, I think they're going to inherit the spiritual template of the parent, including any flaws in it, like we saw with slaveform/Parshmen. A whole created new being though? Yeah, I think that's fair game. 1
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