What do you think is going to happen in book three

[HydrogenAlpha]

I'm afraid that Brandon isn't finished with Dalinar, yet. If the people in Urithiru find out about what Adolin did, he will have to suffer the consequences of his crime.

I think that Dalinar has to either execute his own son for murder/ let him get killed by somebody else or break the code/honor/oaths and let him get away with it. This is going to be a hard decision for him, because if he spares his son, he will lose all of this credibility and everything he had worked for will slip away from him .. and what is the life of one person to the fate of the whole world (yes, we will probably get more journey before destination struggles) ?

Edited March 22, 2014 by HydrogenAlpha

[FlatLine]

I'm afraid that Brandon isn't finished with Dalinar, yet. If the people in Urithiru find out about what Adolin did, he will have to suffer the consequences of his crime.

I think that Dalinar has to either execute his own son for murder/ let him get killed by somebody else or break the code/honor/oaths and let him get away with it. This is going to be a hard decision for him, because if he spares his son, he will lose all of this credibility and everything he had worked for will slip away from him .. and what is the life of one person to the fate of the whole world (yes, we will probably get more journey before destination struggles) ?

 

Why would Dalinar be deciding it? Elhokar is the king,, it would go through him. If it is discovered/Adolin confesses. Then he will either be executed or banished. I think he'll get banished and that's were his story will really grow. 

[HydrogenAlpha]

Why would Dalinar be deciding it? Elhokar is the king,, it would go through him. If it is discovered/Adolin confesses. Then he will either be executed or banished. I think he'll get banished and that's were his story will really grow. 

 

Elhokar maybe is the king by name, but he has basicly no power over anyone anymore. The guards and generals are loyal to Dalinar, nobody takes Elhokar seriously and with Dalinar as the founder of the new Knights Radiant he has much more influence than Elhokar ever had. Just imagine .. some guy commanding flying Knights with blades that cut through everything. 

The only way anyone could challenge this position is outsmarting him, by pushing him into a moral conflict where he loses the sympathy of the crowd no matter how he decides.

It would be a genius plan to uncover Adolins crime and make Dalinar act on it personally if you wanted to weaken his position of absolute power. If the opposion claims that Dalinar wants the thrown for himself they would just ask him to execute Adolin himself to show his loyalty to the law and Elhokar. Killing Adolin would make him a kinslayer, refusing would make him a traitor / hypocrite.

Edited March 22, 2014 by HydrogenAlpha

[FlatLine]

Elhokar maybe is the king by name, but he has basicly no power over anyone anymore. The guards and generals are loyal to Dalinar, nobody takes Elhokar seriously and with Dalinar as the founder of the new Knights Radiant he has much more influence than Elhokar ever had. Just imagine .. some guy commanding flying Knights with blades that cut through everything. 

The only way anyone could challenge this position is outsmarting him, by pushing him into a moral conflict where he loses the sympathy of the crowd no matter how he decides.

It would be a genius plan to uncover Adolins crime and make Dalinar act on it personally if you wanted to weaken his position of absolute power. If the opposion claims that Dalinar wants the thrown for himself they would just ask him to execute Adolin himself to show his loyalty to the law and Elhokar. Killing Adolin would make him a kinslayer, refusing would make him a traitor / hypocrite.

That's true that it might be a lot different, we did see Elhokar throw Kaladin in prision and nobody could do anything about it though. 

Edited March 22, 2014 by FlatLine

[shinintendo]

I will try to predict General info about each part of the book:

First part - Kaladin returning to heartstone, getting everyone to follow him to the Kholin Oathgate. Shallan will active the Oathgate on her side with the help of Jasnah. Dalinar will send envoys to escort people into the city from the other towns. quell the rebellion in Alethkar.

 

Second part - Szeth train with the blade and learning more about Skybreakers.

Shallan will meet with her family and more Ghostbloods talk about the truth.

Kaladin will return to Urithiru with his parents, meet with Bridge four and learn about their glowing.

Mr.T will enter Urithiru and meet Dalinar.

Adolin will have his issues around here.

Dalinar will receive the Honorblade.

 

Third part - A plan to evac Shinovar will be in motion, that or to stop the Everstorm.

Kaladin will be on his way to Shinovar chasing the Highstorm to the west, all the other KR+Kal Squires will follow slower(by horses or jumping to the nearest Oathgate).

meanwhile Szeth be on his way to Shinovar as well to Judge the elders and pick the rest of the honorblades.(Skybreakers remember?).

 

Fourth part- a fight will happen between the Honorblade bearers and Szeth. Kaladin will hop along and will help him(eventually). but even both of them will have problems and use all their stormlight. suddenly like Gandalf the rest of the KR+ Kal Squires appear around the hill and save them both.

Szeth leave with Nalan (or is he?).

 

Edit: too many English mistakes sorry.

No Idea where to put Taln(and Amaram) but he had/s an honorblade so he connected to the other honorblades in Shinovar. and what will happen to Eshonai I have no idea.

Edited March 22, 2014 by shinintendo

[shadewolf]

It would be a genius plan to uncover Adolins crime and make Dalinar act on it personally if you wanted to weaken his position of absolute power. If the opposion claims that Dalinar wants the thrown for himself they would just ask him to execute Adolin himself to show his loyalty to the law and Elhokar. Killing Adolin would make him a kinslayer, refusing would make him a traitor / hypocrite.

 

I want to change this slightly. Everyone assumes Dalinar is the criminal, and the prosecution gets really serious putting dalinar's life on the line. This forces adolin to have a moral quandry of whether to admit his crime or not, ultimately I think he will to save his father and admit guilt, and then Dalinar is forced into the position of having his sons life in his hands.

 

 

 

I will try to predict General info about each part of the book:

First part - Kaladin returning to heartstone, getting everyone to follow him to the Kholin Oathgate. Shallan will active the Oathgate on her side with the help of Jasnah. Dalinar will send envoys to escort people into the city from the other towns. quell the rebellion in Alethkar.

 

Second part - Szeth train with the blade and learning more about Skybreakers.

Shallan will meet with her family and more Ghostbloods talk about the truth.

Kaladin will return to Urithiru with his parents, meet with Bridge four and learn about their glowing.

Mr.T will enter Urithiru and meet Dalinar.

Adolin will have his issues around here.

Dalinar will receive the Honorblade.

 

Third part - A plan to evac Shinovar will be in motion, that or to stop the Everstorm.

Kaladin will be on his way to Shinovar chasing the Highstorm to the west, all the other KR+Kal Squires will follow slower(by horses or jumping to the nearest Oathgate).

meanwhile Szeth be on his way to Shinovar as well to Judge the elders and pick the rest of the honorblades.(Skybreakers remember?).

 

Fourth part- a fight will happen between the Honorblade bearers and Szeth. Kaladin will hop along and will help him(eventually). but even both of them will have problems and use all their stormlight. suddenly like Gandalf the rest of the KR+ Kal Squires appear around the hill and save them both.

Szeth leave with Nalan (or is he?).

 

Edit: too many English mistakes sorry.

No Idea where to put Taln(and Amaram) but he had/s an honorblade so he connected to the other honorblades in Shinovar. and what will happen to Eshonai I have no idea.

 

slow down there mate. you're forcing things to go way to quickly. from what I've noticed, sanderson uses part one to set the story. Show what's currently going on, and where the characters are at and Introduce problems for characters; solutions are rarely done here.

 

Kaladin might return to hearthstone by the end of part one, we don't know how long it will take him to get there, he might also take a couple of side trip to warn other places and show proof that the Radiants have returned. When he finally reaches hearthstone, he'll need to convince people of the dangers of the coming storm. Shallan finding answers for unlocking the oathgates would also be really quick, her current predicament with the ghostbloods, and political manuverings in court will be the main focus for her story. We'll also start having flashbacks into Szeth's past, as well as learn what he's doing and what he's planning on doing. I feel like the third book will try and redeem Szeth, so an attack on the stone shamanate would be better sooner than later.

[FlatLine]

Have we decided if Szeth is going to be good or bad? I think he'll use "justice" and murder a lot of people. 

[istle]

I also believe that the apparent murder of Sadeas will pose a serious conflict in Dalinars position of influence, as most would likely assume that he himself murdered him outright. Adolin will play indifferent until he feels compeled to admit the crime to save his father, which in turn compels Dalinar to decide his son's fate - A swift execution or exile(and I'd seriously doubt Dalinar would order his own son to be executed...).

 

Brandon recently said at a signing that he doesn't like traditional love triangles, but he does like conflict in relationships. Given this statement and the hints in WoR, I  think that Shallan's relationship with Adolin will end and then she will hook up with Kaladin.

 

Traditional love triangles involve a lot of angst in wondering which one to pick. I don't think that'll be a big factor.

I mostly agree with Shardbearer on this, except that I don't see Kaladin getting together with Shallan within the span of the third book since she doesn't yet know(or choose to realize) who actually ended Helaran's life, and I don't see her getting over this fact that quickly... though I obviously see them inevitably becoming an item, but when that happens and for how long is anyones guess except Brandon's!

 

I see Shallan's relationship with Adolin becoming more straining as I very much doubt he could stop being clingy or over-protective towards her(aspects she absolutely despises), not to mention his jealousy of being excluded as a Radiant, I think, will only worsen with time. And let's not forget the sole reason for the betrothal, that is that Shallan sought desperate protection for the safety of her siblings back in Jah Keved, which marriage to a man, third in line to the throne of Alethkar would surrely guarantee. This sole reason became non-existant as of the end of WoR, and I believe Shallan will come to realize this shortly. And the reason why Adolin even agreed with the betrothal was to see if an arranged marriage would work better compared with his previous (oblivious) failures in relationships, and because she played a part - A typical-lighteyed role she hoped he'd fall for - It became easy for Adolin to see himself married to her since Shallan only acted as his dream girl around him. Taking away the necessity of the betrothal, I could also see Shallan dropping the dream girl persona and start acting as herself in front of Adolin... then we'll see how attracted he is to the real her.

 

And I forsee a long absence between Shallan and Kaladin as the plot-point of her either finding out or choosing to realize who actually ended her estranged brother's life a year ago, would not work otherwise. This is something that needs build-up, with Kaladin absent, and not a quick and easy finish, if she could just confront him then and there on the spot...

 

I also assume Shallan will struggle with keeping her Veil-identity hidden and the Ghostbloods satisfied... and I don't see everything working out fine in this case. Though, I'd love a situation where she's veiled as someone else and encounters a familiar face... could become a hilarious situation, easily.

 

I see Kaladin struggling to stop riots in Kholinar(among other places), and being seen as lighteyed among darkeyes rather frustrating for him. At least in the beginning. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes across Jasnah on his travels(which was one of two things I was sorely hyped for with WoR, the other being Kaladin vs. Szeth), should be awesome. I also see Tarah, somehow, becoming a part of Kaladin's life again but in what capacity I could not guess. As for his parents I suspect we will be surprised of events that has transpired in the last 4 years(Kaladin left home around then right?), and I don't think it'll be a happy one either. His fourth ideal as a windrunner, this time as a leader quality, will likely be worded by the end of the book as well.

 

I see Szeth sweeping sweet retribution against those who wronged him in Shinovar, but will his present-day chapters only come as interludes, like usual? Would be interesting if he gets a regular round of POV-chapters throughout the book. Have not read Warbreaker(but I obviously need to correct that soon) but I can only guess how hilarious Szeth's conversations with Nightblood will get from that one line of dialogue in WoR and from what people have exclaimed at his arrival.

 

This is all loosely guesses, contrary to the wall-of-text you see towering over you ^^'. Compared with the end of WoK I could more of less see where most of WoR was headed... well, I obviously could not have guessed that I would start to like Shallan after WoK. I actually dreaded reading more from her POV. Her actions and attitude were simply offputting... and I couldn't say why. Jasnah was awesome, though, which made up for it. That said, Shallan's character was wastly improved in WoR for me. And I was prepaired for Adolin to act as a douchebag toward Kaladin and his, and sure enough, my assumptions we're well founded... but I did not expect it to build to a great bro-like friendship. Calling Kaladin "bridgeboy" irritates me slightly still, though.

 

That'll have to do... my bed is calling, wasn't planning on taking this long to post!

[shadewolf]

Calling Kaladin "bridgeboy" irritates me slightly still, though.

 

Yes, kaladin totally calls him brightlord, princling as a sign of respect. Am I the only one that had a modicrum of respect for adolin at the end of WoK, and expected him and kaladin to have a bro-ship by the end of WoR.  I agreed with Shallan, when she pointed out with how much of a Kaladin was being to Adolin.

 

But I do agree with most of what you've said, with a few minor points in the shipping business, mostly about how Shallan is portraying herself as adolins ideal women, and how I believe adolin is falling for her, because she wasn't the typical lighteyed girl. I do believe that Adolin would be perfectly fine with Shallan should she drop her entire mask, and would appreciate her even more. The end result however will still be Shallan ending up with Kaladin, I'll be pleasantly surprised if that doesn't happen, but...

 

Lol I thinks it's really funny how you found Shallan's actions extremely off putting in WoK, by the end of the book I was sure Shallan was high functioning sociopath, that was trying to fool the reader as much as she was trying to fool jasnah, I still believe this to an extent(I know she does have a conscience, but if it came down to it, she'd be as vicious as sedeas).

[thejopen27]

We don't know that the Stone shaman are evil just that they made a mistake and were unwilling to believe Szeth.  Do they deserve to die for that?  Szeth will have to decide if he wants to kill the shamans and listen to Nalan, or if he wants to do what is truly just and right.  Szeth could have stopped killing anytime he wanted to, his crimes are on his own head as much as the people who ordered the deaths.

[Seloun]

I want to change this slightly. Everyone assumes Dalinar is the criminal, and the prosecution gets really serious putting dalinar's life on the line. This forces adolin to have a moral quandry of whether to admit his crime or not, ultimately I think he will to save his father and admit guilt, and then Dalinar is forced into the position of having his sons life in his hands.

 

Based on what we know of current Alethi culture, Dalinar being suspected of killing Sadeas but there being no witness would be an impressive action, not a shameful one. It seems unlikely that the average Alethi would be anything but approving. That said, it would certainly undermine his moral authority (or moral credibility, perhaps) if people suspect this. His recent allies (especially Aladar) might also think that they were played if they have reason to suspect Dalinar was behind this. However, Sadeas has enough enemies and Dalinar's reputation is good enough that I don't think it would be surprising if no one really considers Dalinar a likely suspect.

[shinintendo]

Based on what we know of current Alethi culture, Dalinar being suspected of killing Sadeas but there being no witness would be an impressive action, not a shameful one. It seems unlikely that the average Alethi would be anything but approving. That said, it would certainly undermine his moral authority (or moral credibility, perhaps) if people suspect this. His recent allies (especially Aladar) might also think that they were played if they have reason to suspect Dalinar was behind this. However, Sadeas has enough enemies and Dalinar's reputation is good enough that I don't think it would be surprising if no one really considers Dalinar a likely suspect.

Even if non of the Highprinces will lift a finger against him there are other forces who could easily work against him, mainly Sadeas wife lalai. She can send her Assassins onto Dalinar just cause she can, it will teach them that being KR doesn't make you immortal just hard to kill.

Adolin can be effected by it and choose to reveal his secret fearing for his father life.

Edited March 23, 2014 by shinintendo

[Elena]

What have you done... The wrath of a thousand Renarin fans shall be brought open these forums. We are all doomed...

 

Shhhhhh! They hadn't noticed until you pointed it out.. now I'm doomed.

 

 

Based on what we know of current Alethi culture, Dalinar being suspected of killing Sadeas but there being no witness would be an impressive action, not a shameful one. It seems unlikely that the average Alethi would be anything but approving.

A thousand times this. The problem now will be between Adolin and his coscience, not Adolin and the law. No one is going to mourn Sadeas if not Ialai and maybe whoever becomes the new highprince; most people are only going to be relieved. Especially Dalinar, methinks, for all that he'll feel ashamed of himself at being happy at a once-friend's death.

 

 

1. Actually, we have WoB that Kaladin's parents are alive.

2. We haven't seen a lot of Elhokar growth in the first two books. I'm expecting to see far more in the coming ones. [...]

I think he is also on his way way to becoming a KR [...] With Kaladin leaving Urithiru, I'm expecting whichever spren were following him to come back full force. Elhokar's going to have a lot of lessons to learn, and my guess is that we'll get to see more come Book 3. 

*Squees in fangirling glee that someone else sees Elhokar as a budding Radiant*

 

 

Snip.

I don't think Szeth/Jashah will go as easily as you assumed (I might be biased because I don't care for him at all) and IMO Kal's fourth ideal will be something about leadership, but I completely love the rest of your post. Shallan will figure out things early on (either that, or she gets together with Kaladin by the end of the book and figures out things in the next) and IDK about Adolin and the Honorblade, since he seems to like his own just fine, but the rest....

 

The falling out with Renarin needs to happen . Who here does actually believe that Renarin is not resentful of his brother even a bit? I don't . Plus all of Adolin I-killed-Sadeas feels and his own budding inferiority complex.. it's a bomb waiting to drop.

Also yay to Adolin killing Amaram. Cue awesome Kaladin's reaction. (And maybe more bromance? I wouldn't mind!)

 

Lastly, Kaladin being mistrusted by the rioting men in Kholinar because of his now-light eyes can't not happen. I fell in love with the possibility the minute I read the post, because it'd be just so perfect, and a natural evolution of his arc. Just... my mind is blown.

 

[istle]

Yes, kaladin totally calls him brightlord, princling as a sign of respect. Am I the only one that had a modicrum of respect for adolin at the end of WoK, and expected him and kaladin to have a bro-ship by the end of WoR.  I agreed with Shallan, when she pointed out with how much of a Kaladin was being to Adolin.

 

But I do agree with most of what you've said, with a few minor points in the shipping business, mostly about how Shallan is portraying herself as adolins ideal women, and how I believe adolin is falling for her, because she wasn't the typical lighteyed girl. I do believe that Adolin would be perfectly fine with Shallan should she drop her entire mask, and would appreciate her even more. The end result however will still be Shallan ending up with Kaladin, I'll be pleasantly surprised if that doesn't happen, but...

 

Lol I thinks it's really funny how you found Shallan's actions extremely off putting in WoK, by the end of the book I was sure Shallan was high functioning sociopath, that was trying to fool the reader as much as she was trying to fool jasnah, I still believe this to an extent(I know she does have a conscience, but if it came down to it, she'd be as vicious as sedeas).

I never said that Adolin was being douchy by himself though, but I see your point, Kaladin had a real attitude problem himself also. I did not expect Adolin and Kal to become bro's as Adolin had a huge problem with the way Kal took control over the terrible situation on the plateaus(as he was darkeyes) back in WoK. I honestly did not se him getting over that issue of his. And I was happily surprised that he did as we got a better and more interesting character because of it.

 

Regarding the business, I guess we're going to find out if she decides to start being herself around him since the need to act as something else is now gone, if he would still like her the same way or more even. But that would also suggest that he realizes she was decieving him all along before, right? That could potentially destroy Shallan's relationship, friends or otherwise, with Adolin... didn't think that through earlier. Or am I giving Adolin too much credit and he decides that he doesn't care if their relationship was built upon a lie before? Either way I'm starting too look forward to how those two play out now.

 

I really can't put my finger on why I despised Shallan in WoK but find her to be a delight in WoR(especially around Kaladin)... I might try to express this unexpected turn of emotions sometime on these forums.

[vandalhearts]

I predict that Shallan will find out about Kaladin killing her brother through the Ghostbloods, which will push her away from the other Radiants (since they'll not likely see anything wrong with his actions).

 

I also predict that there will be no romance arc for Jasnah. She has been built up too much as this strong, independent woman for that.

[Elena]

Agree about Jasnah.. but there ins't anything wrong with Kaladin's actions, and IMO even Shallan will realized this if they ever talk about it (which doesn't seem likely though, not with Kaladin leaving). She even admits as much.

Shallan felt an immediate anger at seeing her brother’s murderer here, but found that it had quieted somewhat. A smoldering loathing instead of an intense hatred. It had been a long time since she’d seen Helaran, now. And Balat had a point in that her older brother had abandoned them.

To try to kill this man, apparently—or so she’d been able to put together from what she’d read of Amaram and his Shardblade. Why had Helaran gone to kill this man? And could she really blame Amaram when, in truth, he’d probably just been defending himself?

She felt like she knew so little. Though Amaram was still a bastard, of course.

[vandalhearts]

Agree about Jasnah.. but there ins't anything wrong with Kaladin's actions, and IMO even Shallan will realized this if they ever talk about it (which doesn't seem likely though, not with Kaladin leaving). She even admits as much.

 

Yeah but Shallan seems to favor emotional over rational often and demonstrates it in that very excerpt. Even though she has no rational reason to hate Amaram, she still does. And lets not forget that Kaladin knew he was the one who killed her brother during the chasm scene but he kept quiet about it. She isn't going to take that very well.

[Falconite]

Spoilers ahead from Book 2 (sorry, my BB Code isn't currently working):

A couple of you above have mentioned Jasnah and Kaladin might meet up in Book 3... At the end of book 2 - Dalinar asks Kaladin how much light will it take him to get to Hearthstone, and maybe he'll have enough to get to Kholinar afterwards...

My prediction is he won't have enough (I posted that already) and that maybe his parents still have the goblet of spheres which was to be his inheritance and he'd use that... Alternately, he meets up with Jasnah, and she elsecalls them to Kholinar (it potentially uses less light)...

[muco]

Just wondering, would anyone care about Sadeas being dead, except perhaps his wife?!

With all that's happened and KR being reformed, most would be on Dalinar's side.

 

 

Agreed that the arc of Adolin going through some sort of turmoil would make good story.

Not sure how it will happen though.

[Elena]

^

*makes happy dance* I love it when people agree with me - makes me feel so smart. I maintain that pretty much everyone will agree that they're better off with Sadeas dead, but adolin will feel like crap for not upholding his father's ideals.

ETA: spelling, I'm on my mobile.

Edited March 23, 2014 by _Elena

[darkanimereal1]

I also predict that there will be no romance arc for Jasnah. She has been built up too much as this strong, independent woman for that.

 

Eh, I'm not so sure about this. My first reaction is to feel the same way. But one of the things I love most about Brandon's writing is that his characters all develop in such amazing ways, which often are unexpected. Shallan's development, especially, in WoR was just wonderful.

 

I think that the fact that Jasnah is so completely removed/seen as "above" all this is a good indication that we'll get some major character growth. I'm not saying this will 100% come in the form of a relationship (although considering how many times Shallan has expressed the fact that Jasnah never seems to notice men's eyes on her, this could very well be the case...). However, the small hint of "Jasnah's weakness" that we got in the chapter right before the Ghostbloods attempted to murder her on the ship indicates to me that we have a lot more to see in the way of growth as far as Jasnah is concerned. For starters, she needs to learn how to ask for help when she needs it, which in turn also has to do with being able to trust in and rely on others (both of which are hugely important things to learn in a relationship). So I wouldn't rule this one out yet.

[feezec]

This is off-topic from the rest of the thread, but I think a new religion will form that worships the Radiants, a la Church of the Survivor from Mistborn and the Dragonsworn from Wheel of Time.

 

Dalinar, Shallan, and Kaladin now occupy positions of immense importance and respect among the Urithiru refugees. That, plus the LITERAL APOCALYPSE happening outside is going to make people zealously reject the old religious teachings that vilified the Radiants. I expect a scene where people are gushing over Shallan as a "Lady Radiant" and she finds the whole experience inconvenient and kinda creepy. Then Kaladin is going to return and the stuffier of these neo-Envisagers are going to have aneurysms upon realizing they now have to worship a former darkeye.

 

Also, I think a big part of Book 3's plot will center around the actions of Taravangian's faction. Dalinar's survival, the arrival of the Desolation, and the emergence of new Radiants completely derails the Diagram. Plus, using Urithiru as an "ark" is probably Mr. T's best bet for fulfilling his goal of "sheltering a seed of humanity." Given all this, I think Mr.T will take Sadeas' place as the main political challenge to Dalinar's authority. Publicly T will support Dalinar and give resources to Urithiru, but in the background he will try to take control of Urithiru (like he did in Jah Keved).

 

Eventually Dalinar finds out, confronts T, convinces him his methods and the Diagram are misguided and morally wrong, and T has a breakdown and is about to reveal all the secrets of the Unmade, Gavilar's final days, the dark sphere, the Nightwatcher, the Ghostbloods, the Sons of Honor, the Stone Shamans, and whether an axehound poops in the forest, when suddenly Szeth appears and storms up all his rust. 

[Elena]

Brandon's take on religion is always an amazing read. It's definitely likely something similar will happen, and I really look forwatd to this particular storyline

[Radiant_thoughts]

I see Darkness and Szeth going to shinovar and leaving with the honorblades. That would make them much stronger than our new KR. They will battle each other.