Zelly Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) I'm putting together a list of known uses of foresight in the cosmere for CRAZY THEORIES science. Help fill any gaps I've forgotten? Also by "foresight", I mean ANY glimpses into the future by any means magical, mathematical, or otherwise. Roshar Voidbinding/Renarin Taravangian's Diagram Death Rattles Scadrial (I get confused by these tbh) Atium Malatium Chromium Electrum First of the Sun Sak's Death Visions Nalthis Returned's original moment of death/vision Sel Wyrn limited foresight Taldain None? (I haven't read White Sand) Others Each Shard's overall foresight Hoid's knowing where to be.....thing Kaladin & the lighthouse sphere (Nalthian/Selish?) Edited March 12, 2018 by Zellyia 1
Scion of the Mists Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 The Stormwardens in Roshar can (somewhat) predict the Highstorms.
Wandering Investor Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 I think the Stormwardens fall under calculating a reoccurring pattern, and not true foresight. Kalidin sees the future when riding a highstorm, but that's a consequence of being connected to SF and by extension Honor's power in the spiriti realm, so that might just be Shardic sight. Sel's power(The Elantrians at least) can do whatever as long as the commands are correct. Its not a question of can they, but do they know how.
Zelly Posted March 12, 2018 Author Posted March 12, 2018 32 minutes ago, Wandering Investor said: Sel's power(The Elantrians at least) can do whatever as long as the commands are correct. Its not a question of can they, but do they know how. We haven't actually seen them use any type of foresight though, have we?
Fezzik Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Roshar: Kaladin and the sphere in OB Scadrial: Fortune feruchemy
Wandering Investor Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Zellyia said: We haven't actually seen them use any type of foresight though, have we? Not that I know of, I just think its a safe assumption. Depends on what the lighthouse keeper in OB was using to make his fortune telling sphere function. 1
Windrunner he/him Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Sel definitely has some level of foresight, as Wyrn was able to send Fjon to Tedradel to kill Hrathen in the end. 1
RShara she/her Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Yep. https://brandonsanderson.com/annotation-elantris-62-1/ Quote I definitely meant to imply that Wyrn managed to see, limitedly, into the future and sent Fjon to the place where he’d be able to slay an important traitor to Fjorden.
Zelly Posted March 12, 2018 Author Posted March 12, 2018 Ooooooo! Good catch about the Wyrn. Stormwardens....I think I'm gonna leave that off the list. It is math related, but it's not the sort of thing I'm looking for. 1 hour ago, John203 said: Roshar: Kaladin and the sphere in OB Scadrial: Fortune feruchemy Fortune feruchemy is related to Chromium, yes? Storing up luck/altering probability?
Tman he/him Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Zellyia said: Fortune feruchemy is related to Chromium, yes? Storing up luck/altering probability? Yes, if I remember correctly.
Wandering Investor Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 The Lighthouse keeper in OB uses the term "Merciful Domi". I assumed this meant he was from Sel. The device is also somewhat similar in nature to the Orb that the Iri used in Mistborn Secret History.
Fezzik Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Zellyia said: Fortune feruchemy is related to Chromium, yes? Storing up luck/altering probability? Fortune is foresight (seeing long term consequences of actions you take now, like a less specific, but longer term atium)
Wandering Investor Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Just now, John203 said: Fortune is foresight (seeing long term consequences of actions you take now, like a less specific, but longer term atium) I'm pretty sure Atium makes use of Fortune, so it capable of both short and longer term future sight. Its just that the farther you go, the less exact it gets.
Ryder Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) Also on Nalthis the Returned have some sort of foresight related to their interpretations of the paintings. Warbreaker spoiler's below. Spoiler Brandon Sanderson Lightsong Sees the Painting of the Red Battle This is our first major clue (though a subtle one at the same time) that there might be something to the religion of the Iridescent Tones. Lightsong does see something in this painting that an ordinary person wouldn't be able to. A well-crafted piece of art, made by a person channeling the Tones and connected to them via Breath, can speak to a Returned. Now, in this case, it doesn't work quite like Llarimar says it does—Lightsong doesn't actually prophesy about the black sword in the way the priest thinks. In other words, Lightsong isn't prophesying that he'll see the Black Sword (Nightblood) in the day's activities. Instead, Lightsong is seeing an image of a previous war, which is prophetic in that another Manywar is brewing—and in both cases, Nightblood will be important to the outcome of the battle. The person Lightsong sees in the abstract painting is Shashara, Denth's sister, one of the Five Scholars and a Returned also known as Glorysinger by the Cult of the Returned. She is seen here in Lightsong's vision as she's drawing Nightblood at the battle of Twilight Falls. It's the only time the sword was drawn in battle, and Vasher was horrified by the result. It's because of her insistence on using the sword in battle, and on giving away the secret to creating more, that Vasher and she fought. He ended up killing her with Nightblood, which they'd created together during the days they were in love—he married her a short time before their falling out. That marriage ended with him slaying his own wife to keep her from creating more abominations like Nightblood and loosing them upon the world. Nightblood is part of a much larger story in this world. He's dropped casually into this particular book, more as a side note than a real focus of what's going on, but his own role in the world is much, much larger than his supporting part here would indicate. source Edited March 13, 2018 by Ryder
Wandering Investor Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 @Ryder That depends on whether they're interrupting the painting via their Super Breath, or just remembering things from the time between death and resurrection.
CrazyRioter she/her Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 IIRC Brandon has at least implied that they are seeing the future a little through interpreting the paintings. It's been a while since I read the annotations for Warbreaker though.
Fully_Invested Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/12/2018 at 9:11 AM, Zellyia said: Ooooooo! Good catch about the Wyrn. Stormwardens....I think I'm gonna leave that off the list. It is math related, but it's not the sort of thing I'm looking for. Fortune feruchemy is related to Chromium, yes? Storing up luck/altering probability? I wouldn't scratch the Stormwardens off so fast - ever since we found out that they were the trusted advisers that told Amaram to kill Kaladin's crew for the shardblade, I've felt something was off about those guys. If they were simple mathematicians I wouldn't think Brandon would shroud them in so much mystery - I think he's building us up to a reveal that Stormwardens have been subtly working with Odium for a while. 1
Wandering Investor Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Working with Amaram would be more likely to associate them with the Sons of Honor, who we know little about. But the stormwarden formulas are noted to be available to people outside their numbers, notably Shallan's brother and I think Kal's father as well.
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