two questions on godmetals

[kuiinteth of isaana he/him]

if larasium gives you allomancy, and some would assume that harmonium grants feruchemy, I have two questions: 1. is there an alloy that might make someone no longer metalborn essentially? like a more powerful version of aluminum? 2. what metal would affect hemalurgy? is there a metal that could give you hemalurgic knowledge?

[Calderis he/him]

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1. is there an alloy that might make someone no longer metalborn essentially? like a more powerful version of aluminum?

I highly doubt it.

35 minutes ago, kuiinteth of isaana said:

2. what metal would affect hemalurgy? is there a metal that could give you hemalurgic knowledge?

Again I doubt it. Hemalurgy requires knowledge. I don't think that that's going to be granted through simply burning a metal. Hemalurgy itself doesn't require anything in the Spiritweb of the user. 

[kuiinteth of isaana he/him]

what if it required a spike of that metal(I don't claim to know how one would steal it) and it grants feruchemical knowledge

 

[The One Who Connects he/him]

56 minutes ago, kuiinteth of isaana said:

is there a metal that could give you Hemalurgic knowledge?

Only if that metal is in the form of a book/Coppermind on the subject. Otherwise, I agree with Calderis.

56 minutes ago, kuiinteth of isaana said:

is there an alloy that might make someone no longer Metalborn essentially?

By technicality, spiking the power out of someone would make them no longer Metalborn. But if you mean via Allomancy, more than likely not.

4 minutes ago, kuiinteth of isaana said:

what if it required a spike of that metal(I don't claim to know how one would steal it) and it grants Feruchemical knowledge

Elaborate.

Edited February 20, 2018 by The One Who Connects
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[kuiinteth of isaana he/him]

sorry

I typed feruchemical there but meant hemalurgic

 

[Weltall]

20 minutes ago, kuiinteth of isaana said:

sorry

I typed feruchemical there but meant hemalurgic

That wouldn't work. As mentioned, hemalurgy does not have a Spiritual component that can be spiked. Anyone, anywhere in the Cosmere can do it as long as they have the necessary knowledge plus (and this is the really important bit) the intent to create a spike. The only way you could 'give someone hemalurgy' with hemalurgy would be if you spiked them with F-Copper and separately gave them a coppermind with knowledge of the system. Which would be redundant since you could achieve the exact same result by simply telling the person how the system works.

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if larasium gives you allomancy, and some would assume that harmonium grants feruchemy

Harmonium probably does not grant feruchemy for two reasons. First, the whole 'explodes violently when it gets wet' thing is a bit of a hurdle to overcome. Second, feruchemy got into the Teris population thousands of years before harmonium could have existed, which makes it unlikely that the metal has such an effect. Also, Brandon has stated that lerasium's primary function is not 'make the user a mistborn' but something else that he hasn't yet revealed to us.

[kuiinteth of isaana he/him]

Thank you for the clarification, I had always assumed that harmony had existed before, even if without a host when ruin and preservation made the world

 

[digitalbusker he/him]

I wouldn't be shocked if there were an Atium/aluminum alloy that would damage the allomancy part of your spiritweb if you were tricked into burning it.

[Isilel]

On 20.2.2018 at 11:27 PM, Weltall said:

Harmonium probably does not grant feruchemy for two reasons. First, the whole 'explodes violently when it gets wet' thing is a bit of a hurdle to overcome.

Would swallowing ettmettal suspension in oil protect one for the crucial moments before it can be burned, perhaps? Maybe it should be first tested on Bloodmakers and/or possibly they are the only ones who'll be able to get abilities granted by it (if any) without dying. 

On 20.2.2018 at 11:27 PM, Weltall said:

Second, feruchemy got into the Teris population thousands of years before harmonium could have existed, which makes it unlikely that the metal has such an effect.

Yea, but it could be granting it now, as Feruchemy is both of Ruin and Preservation. Maybe both shardpools used to be in old Terris?

[Weltall]

1 hour ago, Isilel said:

Would swallowing ettmettal suspension in oil protect one for the crucial moments before it can be burned, perhaps? Maybe it should be first tested on Bloodmakers and/or possibly they are the only ones who'll be able to get abilities granted by it (if any) without dying. 

Yea, but it could be granting it now, as Feruchemy is both of Ruin and Preservation. Maybe both shardpools used to be in old Terris?

For the former, I've seen various ideas proposed for how you could get harmonium into a body and keep it from going boom long enough to at least try to burn it (some of which may even work) but my suspicion is that its explosive property (which renders it phenominally dangerous to use in any of the Metallic Arts in a traditional way) is a subtle hint by Harmony that it's not meant to be used that way. We know that non-Scadrian godmetals are not automatically burnable by allomancers so it's not too much of a stretch to go from there to a Scadrian godmetal being designed to be un-burnable even though an allomancer would naturally have Connection to that form of Investiture.

For the second, before Rashek reshaped the world the two pools were in Teris. The Well of Ascension (Preservation's Perpendicularity) was there and relocated to below Kredik Shaw and Ruin's Perpendicularity was the black pool that Alendi mentions seeing in his journal, and was moved underground below the Pits of Hathsin. However, Brandon has implied (it's a paraphrase) that harmonium is not the same as an alloy of atium and lerasium.