Aleksiel Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Kaladin mentioned his cell trembling, it could have been how the colors getting more vibrant felt to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Technically, it's possible that Kaladin just didn't notice anything because prisons are not terribly colorful. I am not quite grasping at straws yet, but I admit there are flaws with the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galavantes Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Vasher clearly had breathes during his interlude. He was able to sense Kaladin before he even got to his door. What heightening is that? I don't recall how life-sense grows with breathes. Would he have needed enough breathes to bend colors around him in order to feel Kal outside his door? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 A good point, Galvantes. He was also able to sense Syl during his other interactions with Kaladin, and so likely walks around with a lot of life-sensing ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) I think "life sense" is just a passive perk whose strength is a function of the number of Breaths you have. The more Breaths, the stronger your ability to sense people. Warbreaker Spoilers Vasher's Divine Breath alone is probably strong enough to allow him to sense distinct people around him. Edited March 8, 2014 by Argent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galavantes Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Warbreaker Spoilers: I think "life sense" is just a passive perk whose strength is a function of the number of Breaths you have. The more Breaths, the stronger your ability to sense people. Vasher's Divine Breath alone is probably strong enough to allow him to sense distinct people around him. The Divine breath is certainly enough to give him a powerful life-sense. Or at least equal to whatever the life-sense is for normal people around the 5th heightening. So new question: Does a suppressed divine breath provide the same benefits? Or do those go away while it is being suppressed? Vasher's dinvine beath is almost certainly suppressed here otherwise they would probably already be mistaking him for a radiant. Edited March 8, 2014 by Galavantes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 You should mark those Warbreaker Spoilers, Argent. Recall, though, that Vasher's Divine Breath doesn't appear to have any "Heighteny" effect when its not manifest. He doesn't glow, he doesn't get the color-sense, nada. So I doubt that the one and only "normal" benefit of holding Breath that a suppressed Divine Breath gives is lifesense. EDIT: Ninja'd. The Spoiler warning goes for you too, Galvantes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 [ spoiler ] something [ /spoiler ] without the spaces. Yeah, it would be nice if there was a button for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) @Kurk, fixed, thank you. Warbreaker Spoilers You are not entire correct about the Divine Breath not granting any of the normal effects from the first five Heightenings. Off the top of my head, Lightsong has the "perfect color pitch," so he pretty much has to have the perfect pitch too. And life sense is not really a specific Heightening perk. @Galavantes, [ spoiler ] Spoilery text goes here. [ /spoiler ], without the extra spaces inside the brackets. You should also hide the post where you ask for it (the button is to the left of the [MultiQuote] and buttons, just so we don't clutter the threads. Edited March 8, 2014 by Argent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galavantes Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Awesome thanks. Edited. Also in response to Argent: Lightsong never suppressed his breath Edited March 8, 2014 by Galavantes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Hmm, touche. I will need to dig deeper for evidence, but there is no way it's going to be one of these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranstang94 Posted March 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Does anyone know why he stole the moonscepter? It seems like it must give some power or be important in some way... is this something that was discussed somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Releaser Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 He could be carrying them like Vivenna did with that scarf What would happen if Hoid invested his breaths into Lerasium and then ingested / compounded the result? Is that possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranstang94 Posted March 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 What would happen if Hoid invested his breaths into Lerasium and then ingested / compounded the result? Is that possible? I don't see how that would work, unless there is a feruchemical way to store them after he burned it...if he even could burn it. I honestly dont think breath works like that. not that I am an expert or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIT Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I don't see how that would work, unless there is a feruchemical way to store them after he burned it...if he even could burn it. I honestly dont think breath works like that. not that I am an expert or anything. If it were possible, and I'm not advocating one way or another, there wouldn't need to be a feruchemical storage. The only reason you need a feruchemical storage after standard compounding is that your body can only contain so much and any excess is used immediately. But Breaths can be stored indefinitely with no repercussions. In fact you wouldn't even need to store it in lerasium. Any metal would compound breaths into an infinite feedback loop. 1 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. Etc etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armless writer Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 this is something Hoid would do so he could have even more abilities, though we should try to ask Brandon or Peter if it is possible to store the breaths in lerasium and if it would would work if he burned though [ spoiler ] brandon said something along the lines that Nightblood was able to work as something like an honorblade i can not find the quote it is in some Q and A so 2 different types of investure could work together and maybe change. [ /spoiler ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Breath can be stored in any metal, it seems, so no need to be quite so specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranstang94 Posted March 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 that is interesting, that makes me wonder if stormlight can be compounded too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 that is interesting, that makes me wonder if stormlight can be compounded too.... Don't spheres count as compounding? They are more of a storage, though. Breath and stormlight seem different enough. Surgebinders and Radiants aren't know for being able to sense other people or other surgebinders, though there might be a surge allowing this imo. Seems like a reoccurring motif in Cosmere worlds, though I haven't read all novels so may be I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranstang94 Posted March 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 well if it is possible to compound breath then it may be possible to compound stormlight then re-infuse a gemstone. this would be useful especially now with Stormlight being short supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galavantes Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 I don't think stormlight is in short supply. I think it was just in short supply right at the end of WoR because we were near the end of the weeping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Releaser Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 well if it is possible to compound breath then it may be possible to compound stormlight then re-infuse a gemstone. this would be useful especially now with Stormlight being short supply Maybe that is whats in that dark sphere that Gavilar had. Perhaps its something Wit gave him to gain power to win the battle to come? Personally I think that it was a voidspren in the sphere, but it seems to be more important than a simple Spren that a parshendi would need to change to shadowform or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Hello everyone, I have read the forum for a long time now, but this is my first time posting. I know that a number of people have suggested that the powder that Hoid pours into his drink was bronze in order to sense Shallan. I tend to agree with this theory, but have been considering the possibility that it was actually copper. Since it has been said that a coppercloud could block one from sensing magic non-native to Scaladrial I was thinking that perhaps Hoid was burning copper in order to prevent being sensed by anyone. Later in the book Hoid tells Dalinar that he has to be careful not to be found by Odium: "I cannot risk too much, because if he finds me, then I become nothing--a soul shredded and broken into pieces that cannot be reassembled. What I do here is more dangerous than you could ever know." I am not sure if a coppercloud would be enough to prevent being sensed by something as powerful as Shardholder, but I thought that this may be a possibility. Alternatively, we also know that Hoid is being pursued by members of the Seventeenth Shard whom he easily manages to elude. I was thinking that it is possible that at least one of the members trying to track him has abilities similar to that of seeker in which case burning copper would be useful. While I still agree with others that the powder was most likely bronze I thought that this was a reasonable alternative worth consideration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzkle Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 That's a good point, but I doubt he'd burn copper to hide form Odium. Even Vin could pierce a coppercloud with a bit or hemalurgic help, so I doubt Odium would have a problem. I'd say it's way more likely that he'd try to hide from the 17th shard. I doubt he would even need bronze on Roshar, as stormlight becomes pretty obvious when used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranstang94 Posted March 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 after what happened during that flashback, I still think he was messing with the emotions of both Shallan, her brother and her dad. Shallan and her brother both made very important emotional leaps then, It started them on the road to recovery...but this is just my impression. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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