Anniversary Game 4/Anonymous Game 1: A Fresh Start

[Sapphire Elephant]

Alright - starting my targeted reread now, focusing on Scorpion. I'll do Weasel next, followed by Toucan and maybe Ostrich. Whatever I don't get done by rollover, I'll post during the night, just so that it will be out there for everyone to look at if I die over the night.

Scorpion on D1 is very noncommittal, and has a weird fixation on random lynches. Not a fan, frankly. Interestingly enough, Ostrich 1.0 follows onto that, advocating for a random D1 lynch. Already, I've got bad feelings about both of them, but nothing substantial.

Not much concrete contribution to the thread D1. A fair amount of conversation, but not a lot of contribution. Could be an Elim trying to look helpful, could be a villager just trying to participate D1 so they don't get lynched.

No participation N1.

On D2, they try to start a lynch train on Weasel. So it's probably the case that Scorpion and Weasel aren't both Elims. (Unless it was an attempt at distancing, but the accusation seems serious, and looks like the sort of thing that could easily have ballooned into a bandwagon.) If Scorpion flips Elim, then Weasel probably is village, and vice versa.

No further participation for the whole day or the following night.

A few non-contributing posts D3, followed by jumping on the Tuatara bandwagon without reasoning. Gets challenged by Albatross for not providing detailed analysis, and responds by saying they aren't obligated to do so - followed by an explanation about finding the anonymous accounts disorienting. Fair enough, and no patterns yet. Could be an Elim (Elims can be disoriented too!) trying to participate enough to avoid a policy lynch. Or it could be a villager trying to stay in the game even when they are confused instead of dropping out.

Small post responding to the fallout from the Tuatara lynch, and no further contributions.

On D4, they again defend their vote on Tuatara by saying they would rather be wrong but participating than fall out of activity. Then votes on Crocodile because it stood out to them. Defends their vote again by saying it sounds like Croc's post was planned in a committee.

N4, they call out the Meerkat bandwagon as "crazy." And that's the end of their participation.

 

 

[Ivory Dragonfly]

@Plum Rhinoceros Now that I’ve gone through the whole village, I’ve looked at Toucan’s posts. I told Flamingo this in PM, but I might want a Toucan lynch if Weasel flips Elim. Weasel flipping Elim would (somewhat) justify Axolotl’s system, and Toucan does seem to be trying to swing the lynch towards Albatross, who I’ve consistently said I have a very village read on. That said, I think she’s being misconstrued a bit. At least to me, she feels a lot like Swan did from D2 when she was lynched. And who instigated that lynch before the PM swung it on to her? Oh yeah, Weasel. Which is why my vote is where it is. That and the lynch seems to be getting yanked away from Weasel by several attempts, and I’m beginning to wonder if that’s because Weasel is truly guilty. 

So yes, a Toucan lynch would impart information, but not as much as people are implying. Sure, we know if she’s cleared or not, but if she flips village, everyone involoves in the lynch will apologize and distance themselves. Then we get nothing. So, sticking to the vote on Weasel.

And, ninja’d by Kangaroo. Excellent. Second time that’s happened this cycle. 

Edited January 27, 2018 by Ivory Dragonfly
Ninja’d

[Fuchsia Ostrich]

Just putting in my two cents before turnover:

--Activity doesn't correlate to alignment, in my experience. So I wouldn't let Weasel off just for that. Thing is, weasel hasn't said anything that I can remember since I joined up, so I don't have a read of my own and I don't want to senselessly bandwagon.

--Toucan is reading village to me but I'm easily pocketed early-game so I'm not inclined to do more other than mount the occasional soft defense. If we have hard evidence, lynch away, but I want to keep them around until we do.

TL;DR: Keeping my vote on Scorpion because of bad reads from recent posts.

[Plum Rhinoceros]

3 minutes ago, Sage Kangaroo said:

I disagree.  I feel like she's been pretty obvious in questioning and analyzing certain players.

So, Weasel.  I feel like they're much more suspicious than Toucan.

Yeah I would like to go back through her posts some more as I said. I just don't feel the Scorpion lynch and didn't recall this...

3 minutes ago, Ivory Dragonfly said:

And who instigated that lynch before the PM swung it on to her? Oh yeah, Weasel. Which is why my vote is where it is. That and the lynch seems to be getting yanked away from Weasel by several attempts, and I’m beginning to wonder if that’s because Weasel is truly guilty. 

...about Weasel (considering I was a rhino from another life at the time:P) I'm not sure it's not a good thing to yank the lynch away from Weasel considering we're trying not to lynch another villager. I along with a lot of other players are probably just worried that this will end up the same as all the past lynches. With another dead villager. Plus, I don't remember Weasel even posting very much so there's less to look at from his death. 

I'd like more time to look at Toucan so for now I will take that vote away. I'm just feeling very pressed for time and don't want to see another lynch go down the drain. I'll try and calm down a bit and take a look at Weasel's posts for now.

[Sapphire Elephant]

Oh - there's only 45 minutes left in the cycle. I thought I had more time. I don't think I'll finish my Weasel read-through before rollover. I was rather suspicious of Scorpion based on the reread, but Plum's point about an Elim being highly unlikely to vote on a trusted player like Ivory is well-taken. That defuses my suspicions of the Scorpion for the moment.

I wish I had chosen to do the reread on Weasel first, because then I could contribute meaningfully to the lynch discussion instead of bandwagoning or something. (When I started my reread, Scorpion was in the lead...I just get distracted easily so it took a while)

I'll still do the reread on Weasel, but like I said, I don't think it will be done before the cycle is over.

[Plum Rhinoceros]

I have to go so rip. I was really hoping to get a vote in, but I can't finish reading though Weasel's posts. From what I did read, he was very back and forth on Flamingo and I didn't get much farther than that. I don't really see his vote on Swan as extra suspicious. *shrugs I guess we'll see in a little while since he seems to be ahead. I really gotta go. Wish I coulda had more time on this. I'll try to do what I can next cycle.

[Emerald Falcon]

(Just so people know, Weasel's posts are rather easily read through if one looks at his profile and looks at his activity. He hasn't posted much. It'll literally take you 10 mins. Although cycle is ending in about that time. C'est la vie.)

Scorpion. (Would've been nice to have a vote-count so I could put a vote in a better place, but I actually don't have time for that.) Main reason I have been suspicious of Scorpion is because their posts very considered (like, "how should I respond to this"). That's just my read though, and it's not a great one. I find it interesting how he became a focus of the lynch soon after I voted for him without giving a reason though?

(Also: No such thing as psychobabble that isn't useful.)

Edited January 27, 2018 by Emerald Falcon

[Orlok Tsubodai]

AG4/AN1 - Night 5: There’s No Place Like Home

Indigo Weasel felt sharp spears poking into his back, forcing him up the staircase to the gallows. 
He didn’t give their cries the dignity of a response. In silence, he walked up the stairs, and stood where he was forced to stand. 

Only when the floor beneath him gave out did he panic. I can’t die, I won’t die like this!

In a split second, he was elsewhere. Drowning in… beads? He tried not to choke, sinking slowly. The beads started overwhelming him, and he grew tired.

He’d always imagined dying in his old age, surrounded by grandchildren, comfortable in his own bed. Not this.

An instant later, he was home in that very same bed. Deprived of air, with a sore neck, but home and free. 

He blinked, and then started laughing for joy. 

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Indigo Weasel was lynched. He is an Elsecaller. 

Vote Count:
Indigo Weasel (5): Ivory Dragonfly, Mauve Crocodile, Onyx Flamingo, Sage Kangaroo, Violet Axolotl
Sunburst Toucan (2): Magenta Albatross, Pearl Chameleon
Amber Vulture (1): Mint Heron
Amethyst Scorpion (1): Fuchsia Ostrich
Ivory Dragonfly (1): Amethyst Scorpion
Magenta Albatross (1): Sunburst Toucan                                                

Night 5 has begun. It will end in 23.5 hours, at 10pm GMT on the 28th January. 

Player List
1. Amethyst Scorpion
2. Azure Mouse
3. Amber Vulture
4. Charcoal Hyena - Cannoc - Villager
5. Chartreuse Penguin - Villager
6. Coral Swan - Elyle - Village Lightweaver
7. Cream Tuatara - Villager
8. Emerald Falcon - Aldrick
9. Fuschia Ostrich
10. Indigo Weasel - Elsecaller
11. Ivory Dragonfly - Nolan
12. Magenta Albatross
13. Mauve Crocodile
14. Melon Dingo - Quentisan - Village Edgedancer
15. Mint Heron
16. Onyx Flamingo - Squawk
17. Opal Lion - Villager
18. Oxblood Beagle - Jai - Village Willshaper
19. Pearl Chameleon
20. Plum Rhinoceros
21. Quartz Zebra
22. Saffron Iguana - Emalia - Village Lightweaver
23. Sage Kangaroo
24. Salmon Meerkat - Village Bondsmith
25. Sapphire Elephant
26. Scarlet Octopus - Village Edgedancer 
27. Sunburst Toucan - Vanna
28. Taupe Gecko - Villager
29. Turquoise Gorilla - Village Dustbringer
30. Violet Axolotl

[Ivory Dragonfly]

Okay, now I’m seeing Kangaroo’s point about lynching Elsecallers, as this is annoying as heck.

I fully support lynching Weasel again, but I’d be interested to hear what others have to say on this.

also, maybe the fact that he’s an Elsecaller was why Weasel never really bothered to defend himself. 

Edit: Don’t know why this didn’t occur to me, but we probably have a new Weasel.  I still support lynching him, but I’m interested to hear what our new Weasel has to say.

Edited January 27, 2018 by Ivory Dragonfly

[Amber Vulture]

If we still have a village dustbringer out there, which is admittedly unlikely from what I can see but still possible, I’d encourage them to kill Weasel tonight. The village is far behind, as it stands, and we need more discussion to potentially find more eliminators. Dedicating another day to the same arguments regarding Weasel’s lynch would be detrimental to this. While Ivory makes a good point regarding how a potentially new Weasel could offer interesting information, I disagree that they’d do so to such an extent as to make up for that discussion which otherwise would be lost

[Sapphire Elephant]

My apologies. I got called away halfway through my targeted reread on Weasel, fell asleep, got woken up in time for date night with my wife, and am now trying to put my son to bed. I have church tomorrow morning and family things after. It is highly unlikely that I will finish my targeted reread and be able to process everything before rollover.

If I live, I will make good on my promise.

Also, I've decided that Elsecallers are annoying. The waste of a day lynching one seriously detracts from discussion we desperately need to find the Elims.

[Violet Axolotl]

Hmm, most irritating.  I had hoped that Weasel would be dead so I could know if my system is working properly but it seems I will have to wait a bit longer to find out.

[Fuchsia Ostrich]

For a second after seeing the grey I got excited thinking that we had exposed a secret alignment, but alas it was not to be so.

One thing though: you'd think a village!Weasel would have warned us that he had an extra life so we'd have a chance to not waste the lynch. I know village!myself would have if I were them. It may just be my standard tunneling routine, but wasting the lynch on purpose sounds like an elim move.

[Mint Heron]

“So, how have things been for you?” Kharsis asked.
First rule of staying alive: never get involved
Helina’s mouth twisted.  “Terrible. The town’s gone bloody mad.”
Ah. You see, the first trap is to actually sign up for their games
Kharsis raised an eyebrow. “How?” he asked, taking a sip of his tea.
If you refuse to play their games
“Every night for the past five night’s someone’s died,” Helina said, nostrils flaring. She pounded her fist against the table. “Sometimes multiple people. It’s obviously murder, but no one knows why. So when the day comes everyone wakes up to see who the newest victim is and then point their fingers at each other and casts suspicion for the littlest things.”
They can’t win
“It’s not like that, Helina,” Elion said, though his voice lacked conviction. He went to the window and drew the curtains closed. “At least keep your voice down so the neighbors won’t hear.”
They can’t kill you
“Fine,” Helina continued, a little more quietly than before, but no less vehement. “It gets worse from there. After they tally up all of their finger-pointing, their ‘votes’ -- they have a system now, that’s how sick it is -- they storming hang the person with the most votes!”
You’ll go on living, exactly like you want to
No. He wouldn’t believe it. He set down his cup. “You know I lived here,” Kharsis said flatly. “This is Rennan, not some godforsaken superstitious town of primitives, and I’m not that gullible.” This was the type of story that children told each other at night when a Highstorm howled overhead, not something that actually happened in real life.
You’ll be happy
“It’s real,” Helina insisted. “Elyle was among the first to go. Ask his son if you think I’m lying. Or go look at his inn tomorrow, The Thoughtful Skyeel. Back when it started he offered it up as a place where we could talk it out together, for all the good it did him.”
So, you’re saying the way to survive is to refuse to play Their games
“Don’t,” Elion interjected. “It’s not safe there. It’s better here, at the edge of town, but there’s no guarantees.”
Yes
Helina’s angry, honest face warred in Kharsis’s mind with the sheer absurdity of the idea. He wouldn’t believe it. He couldn’t believe it. And the way Elion was responding...well, at six years old Kharsis’s brother could have an angelically innocent face when pulling someone’s leg. Perhaps he had retained that ability over the years.

Then Kharsis remembered what Drelan had said, when he first entered town. “There’s been a few murders lately,” he’d said. No mention of the hangings, but it was close enough. A wave of awful familiarity passed over Kharsis. He felt sick at the thought of it: townsperson turning on townsperson, saboteurs sneaking in the night, an army of monsters advancing in the distance. Everywhere death and slaughter and bloodshed, repeating over and over across lifetimes and universes. A fatal fall from a roof, flames eating at a body, a Shardblade rammed through the spine...

Kharsis brought himself back to the here-and-now. “So it’s true then,” he said.
I really don’t see it, Asim.
“It is,” Helina said. “Still going, too. We haven’t been accused of anything yet, but it’s only a matter of time.”
I mean, would any of us even be alive, if it weren’t for the Game?
“You could leave,” Elion suggested. “The Watch is supposed to keep everybody in but I’m sure Drelan will let you out.”
The Game created us, Asim
Oh, how Kharsis longed to do so! His instincts screamed for him to escape; he knew what would happen if he stayed. Drowning in a pool of water, dissolving at the touch of a shadow made life. Death. He had no reason to stay, as he had made up with Elion and certainly wouldn’t be able to sell much here. And yet...his stomach turned at the thought of running again.
Or at least we were created for it
He shook his head. “I’ll be fine,” he said. “I came in after the murders started, so there’s no way I could be doing it. I should be safe from the crowd.” He downed the rest of his tea, wishing it was something stronger instead. “Might even try to find who the murderers are too.”
We’ve all got some sort of purpose, I reckon
“You can’t,” Elion said. “They’ll -- they’ll eat you up alive.”
And if we ran away from the Game, would we even live?
This is how he survived, isn’t it? Kharsis thought. Elion hunkered down and didn’t attract the wrong type of attention. That’s how he coped after I abandoned him.
I mean
“Maybe they’d do that,” Kharsis said. “But this is my hometown too, and I want the murderers out as much as anyone else. I’ll go tomorrow, see how it works.”
It’s better to live, for even a few days, than to never have lived at all, isn’t it?

Storming colour editor >>

Edited January 28, 2018 by Mint Heron

[Sunburst Toucan]

Vanna was sketching with Charcoal. With the village's water-supply contaminated all the water needed to be saved for drinking and cooking, and couldn't be wasted on other things, like painting. It was a compromise, but she didn't think those she was sketching would mind. She was working on the fifth out of thirteen right now. She worried about her lack of relief that it weren't fourteen right now. Weasel had survived, but that didn't prove anything. Chances where that he'd just be lynched again tomorrow, and the murderers where still free to act. All in all, it would have been better if weasel had just died tonight.  

'Why am I thinking like this? I shouldn't be thinking that! I'm not here to get people killed!'

Before resuming work on the portraits, Vanna had added bit of detail to her painting. She couldn't progress without using paint, which was secretly a relief, but she'd added some details in charcoal. Those details didn't make the painting any less disturbing to her. Red and black encroaching on a bright.. thing... int he middle. But did this thing shine the bright light of hope, or something harsher altogether? She didn't know, and it scared her.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

For clarity, PMs are still open.

[Sage Kangaroo]

See?

I told you lynching Elsecallers is just awful.  Right at the beginning I said it, didn't I?  

12 hours ago, Ivory Dragonfly said:

Edit: Don’t know why this didn’t occur to me, but we probably have a new Weasel.  I still support lynching him, but I’m interested to hear what our new Weasel has to say.

Agreed.  @Indigo Weasel, anything you have to say would be appreciated.

[Sunburst Toucan]

@Orlok Tsubodai, if Weasel had been a worldhopper that just happened to be an elsecaller today, would the indications being made here be different? He's currently marked as an elsecaller, and I'm wondering if that guarantees that he's an elsecaller, or whether he could be a worldhopper as well.

[Amethyst Scorpion]

Phew, I wasn’t around for rollover and I’m glad to be alive, though I do wish we’d found an Elim finally. I don’t know what to think about Weasel, but I agree with a Dustbringer taking him out, just to let us move on. 

To follow up on my point during the day, though, I am curious. Can someone explain exactly why Ivory Dragonfly is considered village and trusted by so many? Without participating or leading the lynch of an Elim?

[Sunburst Toucan]

25 minutes ago, Amethyst Scorpion said:

Phew, I wasn’t around for rollover and I’m glad to be alive, though I do wish we’d found an Elim finally. I don’t know what to think about Weasel, but I agree with a Dustbringer taking him out, just to let us move on. 

To follow up on my point during the day, though, I am curious. Can someone explain exactly why Ivory Dragonfly is considered village and trusted by so many? Without participating or leading the lynch of an Elim?

"No one has managed to lead a lynch on an elim yet, unless Weasel is one." Vanna sighed. there where still way too many uncertainty's around. "As for why people trust him? I suppose Nolan sounds incredibly innocent, and he hasn't really done anything that makes people suspect him. That doesn't actually prove anything, at least as far as I'm concerned, but he hasn't given me a reason to suspect him either. If you do have a reason, then I'd very much like to hear it."

[Azure Mouse]

6 minutes ago, Amethyst Scorpion said:

Phew, I wasn’t around for rollover and I’m glad to be alive, though I do wish we’d found an Elim finally. I don’t know what to think about Weasel, but I agree with a Dustbringer taking him out, just to let us move on. 

To follow up on my point during the day, though, I am curious. Can someone explain exactly why Ivory Dragonfly is considered village and trusted by so many? Without participating or leading the lynch of an Elim?

A Dustbringer kill would be nice, but unless they've been holding out on us, I think we've got to wait for a Worldhopper to get the Dustbringer role again, which is even less likely because they've already had it once. Though then again, unless there's two Worldhoppers, they must have gotten Edgedancer twice for us to have PMs this cycle.

I haven't done a reread through of their posts yet, so maybe I'll try do that now.

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Amethyst Scorpion - (As of D5) posts seemed useful. Probably a slight town lean.

Amber Vulture - (As of D5) still sorta neutral. I may need to revisit after doing others, or consider the broader context of the posts to make a better judgement.

Emerald Falcon - (As of D5) Hmm.. 7 posts. Think that's the fewest so far... 1.0 was not helpful. 2.0 has been here a week, but has come across as being pretty confused the whole time. The only post of note is this cycle's. A bunch of psychobabble (albeit useful psychobabble). The advise to properly consider votes while avoiding confirmation bias is fair. But then all they do is just poke Scorpion, so not adding all that much otherwise. Really hard to give a read one or another.

Fuschia Ostrich - (As of D5) 1.0 is a bit random, and gave no useful info. 2.0. We've only had a couple of days of them, and they've only made around half a dozen posts in that time, with very little content. I appreciate that it's hard to catch up on everything - I'm struggling to get coherent thoughts of everyone and I've been playing the whole game. Tone makes me a little uneasy maybe, but not enough to shift my read of neutral.

Indigo Weasel - (As of D5) There's something about their tone that I don't necessarily like. Hard to pin down though. Really don't like their vote on Meerkat though...  (Day 4) probably slight maf lean.

Ivory Dragonfly - Dislikes D1 lynches. Claims to be new. Quite active, with well thought out analysis. Certainly has a village vibe, and hasn't done anything obviously sus. Could be a very well executed deep cover mafia, but I feel that's unlikely. Probable town read, but I'd want to do a more thorough reread of their posts in context to further check the deep maf idea.

Magenta Albatross -

Mauve Crocodile -

Mint Heron - (As of D5) 'm getting a townie vibe from Heron actually. I haven't paid them much attention, but I see they made a PM safety now, which actually sorta explained why it was a problem, unlike some of the one line comments I got at the start that weren't very helpful. Seems they're maybe suspicious of Penguin, but I'd like to hear more about their suspicions in general I think.

Onyx Flamingo -

Pearl Chameleon - (As of D5) Not necessarily super active, but their posts have all been pretty high quality so far, and have been sharing their opinions. Probably leaning town on them.

Plum Rhinoceros - (As of D5) There's a bit of a slow start with their posts, but they've seemed to pick up some momentum. They're doing some good analysis I think. Leaning town.

Quartz Zebra - (As of D5) Some good content and analysis - reading town on them.

Sage Kangaroo -

Sapphire Elephant -

Sunburst Toucan -

Violet Axolotl - (As of D5) Is probably voting randomly and pretending there's some logic to it. The vibe I get is that they're probably village, but have decided to use a time efficient strategy that is detrimental to the village.

I think with Dragonfly, the things you reference in this post feel slightly villagery, with Dragonfly's response to that post alligning pretty well to my own assessment. I do want to look closer though.

Oh, and @Plum Rhinoceros

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This post sounds a little non committal to me. I think you should still vote because if you don't get a chance to get back on then you don't add to the lynch and people tend to skim over that sometimes because they're so focused on who did actually vote. 

That's fair. And I did end up missing the end of cycle (I got on only a few minutes before, and cycle closed as I caught up on the last dozen posts). I'll do that this next cycle.

[Plum Rhinoceros]

7 hours ago, Azure Mouse said:

That's fair. And I did end up missing the end of cycle (I got on only a few minutes before, and cycle closed as I caught up on the last dozen posts). I'll do that this next cycle.

lol I can't blame you too much since I didn't even get to place a vote in the end cuz of irl stuff for almost the entire cycle. rip

15 hours ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:

For a second after seeing the grey I got excited thinking that we had exposed a secret alignment, but alas it was not to be so.

One thing though: you'd think a village!Weasel would have warned us that he had an extra life so we'd have a chance to not waste the lynch. I know village!myself would have if I were them. It may just be my standard tunneling routine, but wasting the lynch on purpose sounds like an elim move.

Considering he never posted last cycle, I find it doubtful he even knew he was up for the lynch. Personally I'd like to hear from the new Weasel and give them a chance at their own take on the game before he gets voted on. 

Also, @Emerald Falcon I think it was, who posted about it not taking too long to look at Weasel's posts. I agree, except I made it through about halfway and literally had to leave irl before I could even finish lol. I'll do that today.

Edited January 28, 2018 by Plum Rhinoceros
grammar & spelling

[Orlok Tsubodai]

AG4/AN1 - Day 6: To Be Determined

Writeup Forthcoming.

Edgedancer Message:

The First Ideal

Death before Life.
Thrill overcoming Understanding.
Butcher.
Understanding overcomes Thrill.
Life before Death.
~
Weakness before Strength.
Powerless serve Powerful.
Tyrant.
Powerful serve Powerless.
Strength before Weakness.
~
Destination before Journey.
End justifies Means.
Evil.
Means justifies End.
Journey before Destination.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Day 14
Coming storms ever rage, heralding divine fury.
Divine heralds raging, Everstorm comes - 14 days.

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Plum Rhinoceros has died! They were a Villager.

Day 6 has begun. It will end in 45.5 hours, at 10pm GMT on the 30th January.

Player List

1. Amethyst Scorpion
2. Azure Mouse
3. Amber Vulture
4. Charcoal Hyena - Cannoc - Villager
5. Chartreuse Penguin - Villager
6. Coral Swan - Elyle - Village Lightweaver
7. Cream Tuatara - Villager
8. Emerald Falcon - Aldrick
9. Fuschia Ostrich
10. Indigo Weasel - Elsecaller
11. Ivory Dragonfly - Nolan
12. Magenta Albatross
13. Mauve Crocodile
14. Melon Dingo - Quentisan - Village Edgedancer
15. Mint Heron
16. Onyx Flamingo - Squawk
17. Opal Lion - Villager
18. Oxblood Beagle - Jai - Village Willshaper
19. Pearl Chameleon
20. Plum Rhinoceros - Villager
21. Quartz Zebra
22. Saffron Iguana - Emalia - Village Lightweaver
23. Sage Kangaroo
24. Salmon Meerkat - Village Bondsmith
25. Sapphire Elephant
26. Scarlet Octopus - Village Edgedancer
27. Sunburst Toucan - Vanna
28. Taupe Gecko - Villager
29. Turquoise Gorilla - Village Dustbringer
30. Violet Axolotl

PMs are no longer open.

[Ivory Dragonfly]

I said I would support a relynch of Weasel, and they’ve said nothing, so Indigo Weasel until they present a compelling enough argument to make me want to retract my vote. I’m pretty sure we have an Elim here, based on role analysis- the village has all the Edgedancers, Lightweavers, Bondsmiths, and the only Dustbringer. The Elims likely have 1 Willshaper (not 100% sure here though), 1 Windrunner for WGGs and protection against our Dustbringer (which is now moot), 1 Skybreaker to find important village roles, a Worldhopper, and an Elsecaller as further protection against lynches and vigilante kills. The village has the other person with each of these roles. Since I know the other Elsecaller, and the other Bondsmith, and am 95% sure that both are villagers, I think Weasel is our elim Elsecaller. The only thing that gives me pause is that if Weasel is a villager, we’ve wasted two lynches. But I’m willing to take that risk (and any blame that goes along with it). 

Note: Since I’ve heard AGs screw with role distributions, the Elims might have both Skybreakers or both Windrunners, instead of the Willshaper. Or even both Worldhoppers (if there are 2). It’d be weird to have an Elim team without vote manip, though. 

Also, Rhino died. I kind of thought he was an Elim, but I guess not. I’ll have to look back through the thread to get more insight on it, but in keeping with the other Elim kills it doesn't give us much in the way of info. 

Edit: Keteks again, suggesting the same Worldhopper. This could mean that we only have one Worldhopper, though it isn’t unreasonable to assume that we have 2 and that one is just unlucky about getting Edgedancer.

Edited January 29, 2018 by Ivory Dragonfly

[Mint Heron]

2 hours ago, Ivory Dragonfly said:

1. I’m pretty sure we have an Elim here, based on role analysis- the village has all the Edgedancers, Lightweavers, Bondsmiths, and the only Dustbringer. The Elims likely have 1 Willshaper (not 100% sure here though), 1 Windrunner for WGGs and protection against our Dustbringer (which is now moot), 1 Skybreaker to find important village roles, a Worldhopper, and an Elsecaller as further protection against lynches and vigilante kills. The village has the other person with each of these roles. 

2. Since I know the other Elsecaller, and the other Bondsmith, and am 95% sure that both are villagers,

3. I think Weasel is our elim Elsecaller. The only thing that gives me pause is that if Weasel is a villager, we’ve wasted two lynches. But I’m willing to take that risk (and any blame that goes along with it). 

Note: Since I’ve heard AGs screw with role distributions, the Elims might have both Skybreakers or both Windrunners, instead of the Willshaper. Or even both Worldhoppers (if there are 2). It’d be weird to have an Elim team without vote manip, though. 

4. Edit: Keteks again, suggesting the same Worldhopper. This could mean that we only have one Worldhopper, though it isn’t unreasonable to assume that we have 2 and that one is just unlucky about getting Edgedancer.

1. We can't assume we have two of each role. There's no evidence to support it and it's a completely arbitrary assumption. In AG2, there were eight all-village smokers meant to counter a ridiculous amount of Spiked vote manipulation. That said, I think it's likely that the Sympathisers would have some form of protection to balance out our village Dustbringer, as kill roles can swing the game dramatically. There's interesting implications in the fact that we had at least two village Lightweavers, but whether those would be meant to counter Sympathiser vote manipulation or a Skybreaker is unclear.

2. ...what happened to PM safety, guys? >>

3. Weasel lived through the lynch, so role-wise they're more likely to be evil, if they're an Elsecaller. ( @Orlok Tsubodai, clarification: did Night Five's writeup confirm that Weasel is an Elsecaller, or did it merely say that Weasel survived because of an Elsecaller power?) TBH I don't have much of an opinion on Weasel otherwise. I'd like to hear the new Weasel speak before deciding either way on them.

2. Worldhoppers are generally considered powerful roles, so I don't think we have more than one of them.