[OB] Death Rattle analysis

[Hen she/her]

@Aminar Ive been rereading OB, and in chapter 57 Odium says that he is more than just odium, but that he's passion itself. So I'm onboard the Passion train now. I don't think Rayse started out as a bad person, just pessimistic and hateful but the fact that he took the passion shard amplified that pessimistic and hateful view to make him "evil". He is considered "Odium" because that's the part of his personality that the shard happened to amplify.  Just imagine if the philosopher Hobbes got the passion shard. He would not be a good man.

This is mirrored by the fact that in the background of Dalinar and Odiums conversation, people who were kind moments earlier were killing each other for shards. Brandon probably chose to put their conversation during that vision to show that that's what happened to odium, like a backwards foreshadowing.

And Odiums unmade show this too. They aren't hateful, but they make people passionate about specific things. Think of Ashertmarn, he makes people want to indulge. Or Nergaoul, who causes the thrill. These aren't hateful feelings, just passionate ones. 

It would be interesting to see the effects of odiums shard with someone else, like Kelsier or Vasher. 

[Aminar]

2 hours ago, Hentient said:

@Aminar Ive been rereading OB, and in chapter 57 Odium says that he is more than just odium, but that he's passion itself. So I'm onboard the Passion train now. I don't think Rayse started out as a bad person, just pessimistic and hateful but the fact that he took the passion shard amplified that pessimistic and hateful view to make him "evil". He is considered "Odium" because that's the part of his personality that the shard happened to amplify.  Just imagine if the philosopher Hobbes got the passion shard. He would not be a good man.

This is mirrored by the fact that in the background of Dalinar and Odiums conversation, people who were kind moments earlier were killing each other for shards. Brandon probably chose to put their conversation during that vision to show that that's what happened to odium, like a backwards foreshadowing.

And Odiums unmade show this too. They aren't hateful, but they make people passionate about specific things. Think of Ashertmarn, he makes people want to indulge. Or Nergaoul, who causes the thrill. These aren't hateful feelings, just passionate ones. 

It would be interesting to see the effects of odiums shard with someone else, like Kelsier or Vasher. 

Or Dalinar. Although I'd hazard that if/when that happens Dalinar won't still be alive and it's likely to pass to whoever the central protagonist of the back half is(potentially Lift?) It hasn't been all that clear.