StormingTexan he/him Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 59 minutes ago, .S.A.M.K.M said: Apart from cold, how else is damnation uninhabitable. Lousy neighbors. 1
RShara she/her Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Just saw this WoB from November, so it looks like, Yes, Ashyn is the metaphorical equivalent to the Tranquilline Halls. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/176-oathbringer-chicago-signing/#e8496 Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] The Tranquiline Halls: are they real? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] They are—well they're a real place. They are actually the planet that's referenced [in Oathbringer]. But whether mythologically they're real or not that's more a debate for scholars. Edited January 3, 2018 by RShara 1
ALAKA Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Has anyone noticed that dead people don't seem to 'spawn' in the CR (like they do on Scadrial)? The heroes are near two physical battles (Kholinar and Thaylen City) and nothing pops up to look confused and hyperjump off to the beyond. Could it be that dead Parshendi/Voidbringers 'spawn' on Braize/Damnation, and humans 'spawn' on Ashyn/TQH. The Oathpact kept the VB stuck on Braize (CR or PR?) and the spawning on Ashyn (and possible trapping or fighting with something?) gave rise to the Vorin war in the afterlife. What MIGHT follow from here is a nice story resolver- everyone goes 'home' when they die. The humans are from Ashyn and the VB are from Braize. No-one is native, and everyone will have to share Roshar, and live happily ever after... Edited January 3, 2018 by ALAKA
digitalbusker he/him Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 26 minutes ago, ALAKA said: What MIGHT follow from here is a nice story resolver- everyone goes 'home' when they die. The humans are from Ashyn and the VB are from Braize. No-one is native, and everyone will have to share Roshar, and live happily ever after... I dig it, but we have reason to believe the Listeners/Singers/Parsh are native to Roshar. I am curious now about the apparent lack of soul transition events in Rosharan Shadesmar. I suppose it's possible that normal living people don't see that happening--the only PoV we have of that happening is from someone who is a Cognitive Shadow himself already--but it may also be evidence that there's something different about the Rosharan afterlife.
Storms! he/him Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 Are there any WoB about why they don't see souls transition in Shadesmar?
RShara she/her Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, ALAKA said: Has anyone noticed that dead people don't seem to 'spawn' in the CR (like they do on Scadrial)? The heroes are near two physical battles (Kholinar and Thaylen City) and nothing pops up to look confused and hyperjump off to the beyond. Could it be that dead Parshendi/Voidbringers 'spawn' on Braize/Damnation, and humans 'spawn' on Ashyn/TQH. The Oathpact kept the VB stuck on Braize (CR or PR?) and the spawning on Ashyn (and possible trapping or fighting with something?) gave rise to the Vorin war in the afterlife. What MIGHT follow from here is a nice story resolver- everyone goes 'home' when they die. The humans are from Ashyn and the VB are from Braize. No-one is native, and everyone will have to share Roshar, and live happily ever after... Yes! I've noticed the same thing. Either Roshar's CR functions very differently from Scadrials, or something very strange is going on with Roshar's CR! We need to see deaths from Nalthis' CR asap! lol
thejopen27 he/him Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) On 12/30/2017 at 9:14 PM, Nokomis said: Would that mean that Vorinism was originally a Parshman religion? -The Voidbringer is Odium, Voidbringers are anyone serving Odium or using the power of the Void. The humans WERE the original Voidbringers, but are no longer. -There probably was an ancient war on Ashyn that caused the survivors to flee t Roshar, but it was likely human against human, like most wars are. -Vorinism is based on Humanity being driven from Ashyn (Tranquiline Halls) by Voidbringers (humans on Ashyn who served the Void) to Roshar. -Damnation is where the souls the Fused, the Voidspren, and the Heralds return to between Desolations, Braize. -Ashyn (TH) was destroyed by a mighty cataclysm through the use of some great power (Odium may or may not have influenced this, it may have been a human war that went to far, or it may have been humans who worshiped Odium vs. those who didn't.) -Humans who came to Roshar were initially peaceful and were sheltered by the (Dawn)singers and given a land to call home by Cultivation and Honor -But after growing discontent with the small space they were given (Shinovar) Humanity burst over the mountains into the rest of Roshar in the first desolation. When Humans, with the influence and power of Odium (who probably whispered to the humans that they should expand and attack) conquered and destroyed the (Dawn) Singers. - Odium played on the resentment and anger of the Singers and turned some over to him. Odium then used some power to bind the souls of dead Singers who served him and returned them to Roshar as new Voidbringers who would bring war and destruction back to the humans. -The Oathpact was signed as a way to combat the new Voidbringers who were Singers given great power by Odium. ODIUM is the enemy. Odium is the true Voidbringer. He does not care who wins, humans or Singer. He wants hate, violence, and murder to spread. His intent is Odium; an intense hatred. He wants to see the world burn. His current enemy is humanity because humanity is his current jailer, but he would burn down the entire planet if it would free him from his prison. Like many things in the Stormlight Archive and the real world, Vorinism contains bits of truth that has been distorted over time. But there are truths in there. Vorinism probably didn't exist until after the final desolation at the earliest and maybe not until after the Recreance. Edited January 3, 2018 by thejopen27
ALAKA Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 On 03/01/2018 at 3:10 PM, digitalbusker said: I dig it, but we have reason to believe the Listeners/Singers/Parsh are native to Roshar. I am curious now about the apparent lack of soul transition events in Rosharan Shadesmar. I suppose it's possible that normal living people don't see that happening--the only PoV we have of that happening is from someone who is a Cognitive Shadow himself already--but it may also be evidence that there's something different about the Rosharan afterlife. What evidence is there that they are native? They're just more native than humans are. Unless there's something I missed. Are there any other suggestions why the Parsh dead ended up on Braize. The Oathpact just sealed them there, but what sent them there in the first place?
Weltall Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) The WoB about how the people of Ashyn taking to the floating cities were fleeing the same disaster that brought humanity to Roshar makes it pretty clear (as does the fact that Brandon asked the questioner if they'd finished Oathbringer) that yes, Ashyn is the inspiration for the Tranquiline Halls. There's also a death rattle that (potentially) takes on new significance now. Quote Victory! We stand atop the mount! We scatter them before us! Their homes become our dens, their lands are now our farms! And they shall burn, as we once did, in a place that is hollow and forlorn. If this is a human speaking of their original conquest of Roshar, then the implication is that these humans were fleeing a burning environment. Which matches the description we have of Ashyn's surface perfectly but doesn't fit Braize at all. 24 minutes ago, ALAKA said: What evidence is there that they are native? They're just more native than humans are. Unless there's something I missed. They actually fit into the local ecology, which humanity does not. They naturally bond with spren like some of the local wildlife, while humanity couldn't do so until the spren started imitating what they'd seen Honor do. They have gemhearts, like greatshells. They have carapace, like most Rosharan life. They've got the same moldy-smelling blood as the chasmfiends. Etc. Here's a helpful WoB. Quote Argent Sooo... I mean, my eyebrow was already raised. Let's not bait the RAFO too hard, and drop the worldhopper part - is there more to this particular ardent than meets the eye? Wait, hold up. How can "soil" be a holdover from an earlier time if Roshar was always a rocky place? Or did you mean that it's one of those words that carried over from Yolish, or whatever other language people spoke before they migrated to Roshar (like "hound")? Brandon Sanderson It is similar to hound, which is one of the ones that Hoid pointed out as an oddity. But people did not migrate from Yolen to Roshar. Roshar was inhabited before the shattering of Adonalsium. Since humans didn't appear on Roshar until after the Shattering (they were worshipping Odium when they arrived, QED) but the planet was inhabited before the Shattering, the obvious interpretation is that the singers were indeed native to Roshar, not just a race who arrived there before the humans did. There's also the Aimians to consider, but regardless all the evidence points us to the singers being native to the planet. Edited January 4, 2018 by Weltall 2
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