IronBars he/him Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 Renarin is the wildcard in the diagram because he was so uninportant and uninpressive the diagram didnt predict him having much of a role, the fact he bonded a corrupted spren was unseen, therefore what he does or doesnt do from there makes him the wildcard
Song she/her Posted February 19, 2018 Author Posted February 19, 2018 7 hours ago, IronBars said: Renarin is the wildcard in the diagram because he was so uninportant and uninpressive the diagram didnt predict him having much of a role, the fact he bonded a corrupted spren was unseen, therefore what he does or doesnt do from there makes him the wildcard @IronBars You really don't like him do you! Just getting that vibe... Though I agree in part. Odium would see Renarin as unimpressive and unimportant- but he is wrong on both accounts.
IronBars he/him Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Song said: @IronBars You really don't like him do you! Just getting that vibe... Though I agree in part. Odium would see Renarin as unimpressive and unimportant- but he is wrong on both accounts. Its not that i don't like him, i just don't like him to the level others do. Im still surprised by how much of a cult following he has being honest. People seem to gloss over a lot of his ineptitudes and see him for something he isn't in my opinion. I guess its similiar to lift in the sense i cant understand why some people dislike her so much. Regards the post there i did mean at the time the diagram was written though, should of made that clearer. Edited February 20, 2018 by IronBars 2
teknopathetic he/him Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) On 2017-12-21 at 4:41 AM, Extesian said: I love the first explanation. Much like burning atium messing with another person's atium shadows. I have theory that Odium is the one promoting the prohibition about foresight; Odium can't see other fortunetellers clearly, so he has spread that cultural norm. Another odd thought: perhaps Renarin's spren were even intentionally corrupted for that reason? Isn't the corrupter a traitor to Odium after all? Edited February 20, 2018 by teknopathetic 4
+Extesian he/him Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 3 hours ago, teknopathetic said: I have theory that Odium is the one promoting the prohibition about foresight; Odium can't see other fortunetellers clearly, so he has spread that cultural norm. Another odd thought: perhaps Renarin's spren were even intentionally corrupted for that reason? Isn't the corrupter a traitor to Odium after all? Interesting idea. That saidwe know from Brandon that seeing the future is dangerous and Hoid emphasises never to trust somebody that does it. So there's clearly something damaging and unwise in the cosmere to futuresight (at least for a non-shard) and the tradition may be rooted in that. But it could well be the Odium promotes that further for his own purposes.
Raykoda Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 I disagree with the train of thought going on in this thread that Odium can't understand love/compassion/the true meaning of Christmas/whatever. Remember, his big freak out when Dalinar beat him didn't happen when he beat Yelig-nar, but when he created the Perpendicularity. Ergo, the idea that Dalinar's awesome-ness (wrong KR, but whatever) would overpower his dickish-ness was always a potential in his brain. It also explains why Dalinar was Odium's choice, instead of someone like Kaladin or Szeth, who would be better. Odium's evil, but Sauron he aint. #1 Seems like the most likely answer to me, but we can't forget two things: Cultivation being all crafty and future-sight being janky in general in the Cosmere. Honestly until we get some solid information about how future sight is dangerous I'm going to lay off on too specific speculation regarding this point.
Calderis he/him Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 I haven't weighed in on this thread, but I'm very intrigued by the situation regarding Renarin and "Odium's Diagram" (Renarin is known the Diagram, but absent from the one that Odium expands upon). I don't agree with option one from the OP, because if it were to function like atium, Renarin shouldn't be a void in Odium's sight. He should be a confluence of uncertain possibilities that draw attention to himself. Just like atium shadows are a singular solid event until atium is burned in counter and the shadows become an explosion of possibilities countering each other. The only thing that I can think of is that Cultivation is actively blocking sight of Renarin for Odium, which implies that Sja-anat's growth and desired defection is both genuine, and fostered by Cultivation. I don't know if there's any truth to that, but I can't imagine a situation in which a Shard is completely blind to anything via their spiritual based foresight that doesn't involve an opposing Shard. Honor was bad at future sight by his own admission, but he still had enough to plan for the rebirth of the Radiants and merge his Cognitive Shadow with the Stormfather and require him to send the visions. I feel like this is a much bigger sign of things to come then just "Renarin can see the future" 5
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