bdoble97 Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 In case I miss something while reading oathbringer do the ancient Dawnchant or Dawbsingers say where the voidbringers home planet is. I always feel like I understand these books but then I come to these forums and now listen to shark chull on YouTube and feel like I know just the bare minimum of this series even though I love this series in these characters . Could the voidbringers home planet be where the shards originated from or that happened much earlier due to the fact that the individual shards were already on roshar. I have been thinking that all the humans and all these different plants originated from the same planet before the shattering right.
ArmbarBanker Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 Ashyn is the human original homeworld. It was destroyed by humans and many fled to Roshar
bdoble97 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, ArmbarBanker said: Ashyn is the human original homeworld. It was destroyed by humans and many fled to Roshar Ok thank you so did i toltally miss that when reading Oathbringer. If so I feel really embarrassed asking hahah
The Sovereign Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ArmbarBanker said: Ashyn is the human original homeworld. It was destroyed by humans and many fled to Roshar To clarify this; Ashyn is the home planet to the humans who went to Roshar and were named the Voidbringers. Yolen is the home planet of humans in general in the Cosmere. @bdoble97, It never directly says this in OB. It is hinted at throughout the series and Brandon confirmed it via WOB. Relevent WOB: Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] A friend of mine wanted me to ask: Was the cataclysm that <rocked> Ashyn and forced its inhabitants into the flying cities Investiture-based, and if it was was it Shardic in nature? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] The same cataclysm that the-- did you finish [Oathbringer]? Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Yes. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] The same cataclysm that they were fleeing, that they caused, is the one that forced people into the skies. #surgebinding #the silence divine Edited December 7, 2017 by The Sovereign Added WOB 2
bdoble97 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Posted December 7, 2017 32 minutes ago, The Sovereign said: To clarify this; Ashyn is the home planet to the humans who went to Roshar and were named the Voidbringers. Yolen is the home planet of humans in general in the Cosmere. @bdoble97, It never directly says this in OB. It is hinted at throughout the series and Brandon confirmed it via WOB. Relevent WOB: Thank you very much
bdoble97 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Posted December 7, 2017 @The Sovereign is Ashyn on aby of the star charts the was released earlier this year in the short story collection book so I can't remember the title of that book right now
BeskarKomrk he/him Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 Just now, bdoble97 said: @The Sovereign is Ashyn on aby of the star charts the was released earlier this year in the short story collection book so I can't remember the title of that book right now Yes, it's on the Roshar star chart: 2
bdoble97 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Posted December 7, 2017 58 minutes ago, BeskarKomrk said: Yes, it's on the Roshar star chart: Thank you. Now whats on Braize haha
aemetha he/him Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) Roshar in general has many parallels with the sol system. Roshar is earth. Temperate climate. There are obvious ecological differences, but generally it sits right at the ideal for human life. Braize is Mars. Described as cold and desolate, and while exiting in the habitable zone, generally unsuitable for human haibitation. Ashyn is Venus. Khriss describes Ashyn as the burning planet. Venus is the hottest planet in the sol system, hotter even than mercury despite its position within the habitable zone. It is believed that Venus may have been habitable at one time, but since then has experienced a runaway greenhouse effect that has resulted in gaseous content at the surface level so dense as to crush any human who tried to live there. Interestingly though, scientists belief that venus could potentially be colonised - in floating cities, held aloft basically because they would be bouyant on the denser atmosphere. Being further out from the intensity of the surface conditions in thinner gaseous content also partly mitigates the heat problem. Which makes you wonder. How much did Brandon draw on the Sol system when designing the Rosharan system? The cataclysm that Ashyn faced, was it deliberate, or was it something akin to what we face on Earth now with climate change? In our case climate change is attributed to the effects of our technology. On Ashyn that could be attributed to the effects of surgebinding. In other words - an unintended side effect. Edited December 7, 2017 by aemetha 1
bdoble97 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Posted December 8, 2017 17 minutes ago, aemetha said: Roshar in general has many parallels with the sol system. Roshar is earth. Temperate climate. There are obvious ecological differences, but generally it sits right at the ideal for human life. Braize is Mars. Described as cold and desolate, and while exiting in the habitable zone, generally unsuitable for human haibitation. Ashyn is Venus. Khriss describes Ashyn as the burning planet. Venus is the hottest planet in the sol system, hotter even than mercury despite its position within the habitable zone. It is believed that Venus may have been habitable at one time, but since then has experienced a runaway greenhouse effect that has resulted in gaseous content at the surface level so dense as to crush any human who tried to live there. Interestingly though, scientists belief that venus could potentially be colonised - in floating cities, held aloft basically because they would be bouyant on the denser atmosphere. Being further out from the intensity of the surface conditions in thinner gaseous content also partly mitigates the heat problem. Which makes you wonder. How much did Brandon draw on the Sol system when designing the Rosharan system? The cataclysm that Ashyn faced, was it deliberate, or was it something akin to what we face on Earth now with climate change? In our case climate change is attributed to the effects of our technology. On Ashyn that could be attributed to the effects of surgebinding. In other words - an unintended side effect. You sound very smart tbat was very interesting to read thank you
RShara she/her Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 Scadrial and it's system is supposed to be the closest parallel to Earth and Sol.
aemetha he/him Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 1 minute ago, RShara said: Scadrial and it's system is supposed to be the closest parallel to Earth and Sol. Scadrial is the closest parallel to Earth. The Scadrian system is nothing like the Sol system. The Scadrian system has no other planets within the habitable zone, while the Rosharan system has three planets in the habitable zone whose climates are described very similarly to Venus, Earth and Mars. To be clear though, I'm not claiming Roshar is any kind of exact approximation of Earth, nor a closer approximation to Earth than is Scadrial. Just comparative climates described, and the interesting coincidence that the civilisation on Ashyn is described living in a way suggested for colonising Venus.
Cenanin Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 3 hours ago, bdoble97 said: In case I miss something while reading oathbringer do the ancient Dawnchant or Dawbsingers say where the voidbringers home planet is. I always feel like I understand these books but then I come to these forums and now listen to shark chull on YouTube and feel like I know just the bare minimum of this series even though I love this series in these characters . Could the voidbringers home planet be where the shards originated from or that happened much earlier due to the fact that the individual shards were already on roshar. I have been thinking that all the humans and all these different plants originated from the same planet before the shattering right. 3 hours ago, ArmbarBanker said: Ashyn is the human original homeworld. It was destroyed by humans and many fled to Roshar I swear I read in Oathbringer that the voidbringers(humans) were from Braize.
Spoolofwhool Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 35 minutes ago, Cenanin said: I swear I read in Oathbringer that the voidbringers(humans) were from Braize. According Vorin theology, the Voidbringers they face are from Braize, which they know as Damnation. This is likely formed from the altered perception where the Singers became the Voidbringers, with the Fused coming from Braize after the Heralds release them. In the actual original usage where the humans were called Voidbringers by the Dawnsingers, their world was Ashyn. 1
thejopen27 he/him Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 I think it's safe to assume that Odium played a role in whatever it was that caused the cataclysm on Ashyn. I don't think the humans managed it all on their own. 1
ScavellTane Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 I would guess that it's easier for Odium to influence humans than the Ancient Singers due to their dependency on spren and their natural ability to view better the CR. It would have required him to generate spren of his own on Roshar.
bdoble97 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, thejopen27 said: I think it's safe to assume that Odium played a role in whatever it was that caused the cataclysm on Ashyn. I don't think the humans managed it all on their own. I agree with you 100% he had to of been dping somthing behind the scean. Edited December 8, 2017 by bdoble97
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