BethG Posted December 9, 2019 Posted December 9, 2019 I agree that Kaladin WANTS a relationship and Syl thinks he NEEDS one. Don’t know about Tarah. She left he he needed her.
StealthPrincess she/her Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 @Stromblessed I've always wanted Kaladin and Jasnah to end up together, and no one can convince me that they won't be perfect for each other 4
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 7 hours ago, StealthPrincess said: @Stromblessed I've always wanted Kaladin and Jasnah to end up together, and no one can convince me that they won't be perfect for each other I must say that i don't mind if that happens! 2
StealthPrincess she/her Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 @The traveller what would you like to see happen with Kaladin's love life?
agrabes Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 0:41 PM, BethG said: I agree that Kaladin WANTS a relationship and Syl thinks he NEEDS one. Don’t know about Tarah. She left he he needed her. It is true, Tarah left when Kaladin needed her. But, I also think that we don't know the full story on that - we don't know for sure what she was thinking. Wasn't that a scene that we only have from Kaladin's memories, not a flashback? I think if we saw it from her perspective, we would see that she wanted him to come with her or to really try to stop her from leaving. I think she was trying to drag him out from wallowing in his guilt. I think she could see he was going into a bad place mentally, forgetting everything except his work of being a soldier and wanted to shock him out of it. She wanted to force him to take some agency in his life, to make a change for the better rather than just accept his life as a soldier and his self-imposed mission to make up for his inability to protect his brother. Kaladin just didn't understand that at the time, and probably still can't understand it as of the end of OB. 3
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 8 hours ago, StealthPrincess said: @The traveller what would you like to see happen with Kaladin's love life? I thought I replied!! ok I think he wants a relationship and I want to see him happy! I am ok with either Jasnah or Tarah for him. personally I do prefer Jasnah, but I doubt we are going to get this ship! 2
Aggravatione Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 I'm curious for those that think Tarah and Kal could be a thing, why do you think that? I haven't done a reread in a while but when I read through I always thought that the ship had set sail and the doors the Tarah and Kaladin relationship had been closed. It seems to me that no matter if Tarah potentially wants a relationship with him or what, I don't think Kaladin would allow himself that. To be fair, that's just the general vibes I was getting and I could honestly be entirely wrong. 1
StealthPrincess she/her Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 7 hours ago, The traveller said: I thought I replied!! ok I think he wants a relationship and I want to see him happy! I am ok with either Jasnah or Tarah for him. personally I do prefer Jasnah, but I doubt we are going to get this ship! I don't need it to be canon But also, I'm not sure if Kaladin is ready for a relationship right now
BethG Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 I agree with all of you who think Kaladin NEEDS a romantic relationship. I don’t think we have either met her yet ( yes, HER, since he’s never shown any interest romantically toward a guy) or had a character developed to the point of being right for him. I think Rysn and Tarah could be possibilities with a LOT more development, but Jasnah? No. Just no. Kaladin hates killing and Jasnah lured men in to kill to teach a lesson. Too far apart to ever be compatible. Some say he isn’t ready or needs to be strong on his own, but being (probably) MUCH older than most of you, I have seen that those things aren’t true. I fell in love at 19 with a 20 year old, married at 21, and 44 years later am still married to a very Kaladin-like man who is still my hero. Kaladin needs support and security. It is so much easier to be strong and confident and forgiving of yourself if you have love and support. And yes, Bridge 4 “loves” him and supports him, but there’s something very different and special about a romantic partner’s support. Dalinar had Evi, even though he didn’t appreciate her at the time. She was right about him. And I love Navani’s supporting for him now. Kaladin needs the same. I want him to go into occupied territory and save a “Navani/Evi” character.........please, Brandon? I really need him to have a girl to love and hug the stuffin’ out of him like I want to. 2
Frustration Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 On 11/19/2017 at 11:13 AM, Jerich said: Lift. 16 (15-19) lift is 13 dude. 1
BethG Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Booknerd said: lift is 13 dude. But she’s been that old for years. So maybe more 15. Seems like the “boons” and “curses” stop, and she may start “changing” again. Then she’ll be a good age for Kaladin in a few years. He could use her silliness and skewed view of the world. (Adolin is way older than Shallan.)
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, BethG said: I think Rysn and Tarah could be possibilities with a LOT more development, but Jasnah? No. Just no. Kaladin hates killing and Jasnah lured men in to kill to teach a lesson. Too far apart to ever be compatible. I don’t think That we should sum up Jasnah’s character as trigger happy and be done with it. She lured those guys and killed them but it was not on a momentary whim as shallan paints it. Jasnah has been thinking of doing something about this for some time! I think something happened in her past which has made her adopt zero tolerance attitude towards people who abuse women! In her own way, she was trying to protect the innocent people especially women of Kharbranth. This particular gang had probably been out there for months and no one had done anything to stop them! Apart from that incidence, she knew Kabsal was an assassin, she did not hurt him in any way. If she loved to murder than.... She forgave shallan even though she had lied to her and stolen from her! She cares deeply about protecting her family her closed ones just like kaladin. In fact she goes steps further than him and has cared for protecting the entire world. She is loyal trustworthy intelligent strong and capable. I am sure she will show good leadership qualities as a queen of Alethkar too! I think these qualities make her compatible with kaladin! I think that Jasnah is a lot more open minded as far as the social hierarchy is concerned than Shallan. She will not give much weight to kaladin’s eye colour! Also people have shipped kaladin with shallan but do you think shallan has not had her share of murders! Do you think she told kaladin about killing her own father!? I think she did. And kaladin could understand that and in fact admire that about her! So I am sure that kaladin can understand and admire Jasnah going to the dangerous part of the town putting herself in danger and killing a bunch of rapists and murderers to protect the innocent and weak citizens of Kharbranth. I am sure if We had read this from Jasnah’s pov, it would have come across as way different! Edited December 18, 2019 by The traveller 7
BethG Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, The traveller said: I don’t think That we should sum up Jasnah’s character as trigger happy and be done with it. She lured those guys and killed them but it was not on a momentary whim as shallan paints it. Jasnah has been thinking of doing something about this for some time! I think something happened in her past which has made her adopt zero tolerance attitude towards people who abuse women! In her own way, she was trying to protect the innocent people especially women of Kharbranth. This particular gang had probably been out there for months and no one had done anything to stop them! Apart from that incidence, she knew Kabsal was an assassin, she did not hurt him in any way. If she loved to murder than.... She forgave shallan even though she had lied to her and stolen from her! She cares deeply about protecting her family her closed ones just like kaladin. In fact she goes steps further than him and has cared for protecting the entire world. She is loyal trustworthy intelligent strong and capable. I am sure she will show good leadership qualities as a queen of Alethkar too! I think these qualities make her compatible with kaladin! I think that Jasnah is a lot more open minded as far as the social hierarchy is concerned than Shallan. She will not give much weight to kaladin’s eye colour! Also people have shipped kaladin with shallan but do you think shallan has not had her share of murders! Do you think she told kaladin about killing her own father!? I think she did. And kaladin could understand that and in fact admire that about her! So I am sure that kaladin can understand and admire Jasnah going to the dangerous part of the town putting herself in danger and killing a bunch of rapists and murderers to protect the innocent and weak citizens of Kharbranth. I am sure if We has read this from Jasnah’s pov, it would have come across as way different! For one thing, Jasnah is about 15 years older than Kaladin, which is a bit much. And he needs a happier person, more of a Syl/Tien personality to help him be happy. I just see them as too similar in nature to compliment each other. You know, the old opposites attract and likes repel thing. A good couple needs to have the same values but fill in each other’s deficiencies. Their deficiencies are too much the same. And I didn’t think he and Shallan would make such a great couple, either. She’s better with Adolin. Edited December 18, 2019 by BethG Added thought.
StealthPrincess she/her Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 44 minutes ago, BethG said: And he needs a happier person, more of a Syl/Tien personality to help him be happy. He has Syl already. And I don't want to see him be happy because of external factors (a relationship). Obviously, it can help, but he needs to figure some things out alone. He could find calmness and stability in Jasnah. I see them supporting eachother by giving the other person space, and I feel like they could have a very deep emotional connection because of how mature both characters are.
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, BethG said: For one thing, Jasnah is about 15 years older than Kaladin, which is a bit much. And he needs a happier person, more of a Syl/Tien personality to help him be happy. I just see them as too similar in nature to compliment each other. You know, the old opposites attract and likes repel thing. A good couple needs to have the same values but fill in each other’s deficiencies. Their deficiencies are too much the same. And I didn’t think he and Shallan would make such a great couple, either. She’s better with Adolin. I don’t think we should Take age as a factor really. It is possible that KRs have longer lifespan than normal people due to their advanced healing ability. I do not think that Jasnah is broody or prone to a depressed state of mind at all. I don’t think Kaladin can be fully happy with someone who does not worry about what is happening and living in their happy bubble. I think Jasnah can help him channel his worries in a more productive manner and he can help her by making her even more compassionate 3
Razrback16 Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 Agreed Traveller - Kaladin + Jasnah could be quite interesting. I'd ship Kaladin with Jasnah above all presently based on Books 1-3. New information could come in Book 4 that might change my opinion but I'd be interested in reading that one. 3
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Razrback16 said: Agreed Traveller - Kaladin + Jasnah could be quite interesting. I'd ship Kaladin with Jasnah above all presently based on Books 1-3. New information could come in Book 4 that might change my opinion but I'd be interested in reading that one. Thank you @Razrback16 I agree as of now I like Kaladin and Jasnah but if future books steered kaladin towards someone new or some old flame like Tarah, i will be very interested in reading that as well. I also think that there is a good possibility that nothing on this front happens in book 4. Edited December 18, 2019 by The traveller 4
Use the Falchion Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, BethG said: For one thing, Jasnah is about 15 years older than Kaladin, which is a bit much. And he needs a happier person, more of a Syl/Tien personality to help him be happy. I just see them as too similar in nature to compliment each other. You know, the old opposites attract and likes repel thing. A good couple needs to have the same values but fill in each other’s deficiencies. To each his or her own. If they are both consenting adults and the power dynamic is equal, then there isn't a problem. Breeze is way older than Allrianne, and yet only a minimal fuss is raised in the fandom. Why not the opposite? Others have spoken about Kaladin having a Syl/Tien around already...specifically Syl, and now Shallan instead of Tien. Jasnah and Kaladin CAN be good for each other, but that doesn't mean they will. They need to compromise on a decent amount (like any healthy relationship), and find some common ground first. But that's easy. I imagine Bridge 4 will still be protecting the Kholins, and Kaladin might have a personal interest in Gavinor (as sort of a "substitute" for Oroden at the moment as well as a sort of atonement for Elhokar). They will have to meet as Knights Radiants, and if not true equals at least as peers on that level. And Jasnah is willing to go through any hoop to protect her family. Kaladin has personally protected her uncle, brother, cousins from assassins and politics; add in his Squires and the total adds up to her whole family. He's smart, well-liked, has good character, open-minded, and is educated to the degree he can be. So not respecting him as a person would be almost insane, even for her. ...that being said, she'd need to start seeing Kaladin as a person, rather than The Windrunner... Jasnah might be able to help Kaladin grow those calluses his father had always talked about, allowing him to speak that fourth oath. In return, Kaladin can help teach Jasnah how to lead (not just rule of which I have no doubt she's good at, but actually lead), and help her see that life doesn't have to be tribalism of "Us versus Them" in the conflict. Besides, there might be a sense of catharsis (and more than a little irony) in Kaladin not only marrying a lighteyes, but also becoming a king or king-consort. The Way of Kings indeed!* 1 hour ago, BethG said: And I didn’t think he and Shallan would make such a great couple, either. She’s better with Adolin. Agreed! Kaladin and Shallan...aren't healthy for each other. Kaladin admires Shallan's unhealthy coping mechanisms. And their respective traumas might cause them both to spiral down. Shallan likes Kaladin's "dark and brooding" nature, but doesn't realize the full extent of why that is, nor can she help him work through that. Adolin on the other had knows how to handle both of them (like the best bro and best boyfriend he is!) @Razrback16 and @The traveller Jasnadin gang rise up!! *With Rock being legally being the king of the Horneater Peaks, Lopen technically being appointed king for a tad by Elhokar (and maybe royalty in Herdaz?), it'd be fitting for Kaladin to become king someday. Maybe. 7
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 Aww!! @Honorless But you don't ship him with anyone!! 1
Honorless he/him Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, The traveller said: Aww!! @Honorless But you don't ship him with anyone!! Only because I know the futility of hoping for Kaladin x Adolin
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, Honorless said: Only because I know the futility of hoping for Kaladin x Adolin Oh !! If it could happen, then absolutely yes for Kadolin! I think they will make a great couple! Adolin was so caring towards Kaladin in OB back in Shadesmar, How can anyone not want it! 2
BethG Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 Ok, a couple of you made some good points on a Kaladin /Jasnah relationship, and if Brandon does that, he will write it so I will be happy with it, I am sure. But I would need to see a lot more sweetness in her for me to like her for Kaladin. Maybe he can bring that out in her. I also agree she (sorry Adolin shippers—right personality, wrong sex—neither has ever shown a romantic interest in men) should be lighteyed, and I would like her to also be royal. And I agree that Gavinor will be of special interest to Kaladin, but I also hope he will have a roll in Adolin becoming Radiant (a whole new topic!!!). 2
Frustration Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 On 12/17/2019 at 7:33 PM, BethG said: But she’s been that old for years. So maybe more 15. Seems like the “boons” and “curses” stop, and she may start “changing” again. Then she’ll be a good age for Kaladin in a few years. He could use her silliness and skewed view of the world. (Adolin is way older than Shallan.) When she is first introduced she says she's been 10 for three years making her twelve, add the time to Oathbringer nice thirteen. 1
Krafl Posted April 10, 2020 Posted April 10, 2020 My biggest hope for a Kaladin relationship is Tarah. Even though we know little about her, it is evident the depth of Kaladin feelings for her (which, i think, are mutual) from the fact that she is able to prevent him to die on grief for Tien but also by the way he describes her (which to me is one of best romantic statements of the Cosmere ).I believe she is the perfect match for him since she knows him very well and so she is not going to be influenced by his status as a Radiant .I really hope that she will reappear in Kaladin life sooner or later.
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