Fifth of Daybreak Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) Quote The sight of his brother, lying dead on the slab. “Spirit, mind, and body,” the wizened ardent said, her voice echoing in the stone catacomb. “Death is the separation of the three. The body remains in our realm, to be reused. The spirit rejoins the pool of divine essence that gave it birth. And the mind … the mind goes to the Tranquiline Halls to find its reward.” OB 105 Spirit Mind and Body So we now officially have two people on Roshar with the ability to Awaken. We also have human death rites that soulcast human forms into stone, and multiple WoB that this would allow those statues to be awakened (pity I didn't get to ask in person, they got much more nuanced info.) With this context in mind, and in the company of the bolded selection from Gavilar's funeral, what do you guys think the chances are of seeing a Rosharan army of the dead in the future? Warbreaker Spoilers: Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/69-shadows-of-self-release-party/#e6138 Questioner So the lighteyes that get Soulcast into stone, can they be Awakened? Brandon Sanderson *pause* So… Yes, but their soul is gone. When they get Soulcast into stone it is only the corpse, so yes they could. Questioner Would it be a lifeless or a-- Would it be like Awakening something inorganic or would them once being alive help? Brandon Sanderson The fact that they were once alive will help. There's a Spiritual Connection that still exists on the Spiritual Realm and that is going to help. But you're not going to get the person back. The fact that it is the exact form of a person is going to be really helpful. It would be a lot easier to Awaken that than it would be to Awaken other stone. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/148-torcom-the-way-of-kings-re-read-interview/#e2781 EMTrevor (That's me :D) Would an Awakener be able to awaken a corpse that was soulcast into stone more easily because it used to be living, thereby being able to create lifeless similar to Kalad's Phantoms without having bones in the framework? Brandon Sanderson Yes. That would definitely work. Edited November 18, 2017 by Fifth of Daybreak 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storyspren Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 You’ve almost got to be right don’t you? At least a few awakened statutes of soul cast light eyes could be awakened and maybe fight the thunderclasts. It would not surprise me if vasher weren’t the one who originally suggested that people should be turned to stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidWayne Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) Woah... that could be one way to interpret the "war to reclaim the Tranquiline Halls" couldn't it? The dead who are soulcast being brought back to life to fight the voidbringers... That sounds almost prophetic in this light. Edited November 18, 2017 by KidWayne Grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemetha Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) There's only one problem I see with the original post here... There are at least three awakeners on Roshar, and a distinct possibility of a fourth. Spoiler Vasher, Vivienna, Hoid and possibly Yesteel. Edited November 18, 2017 by aemetha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 How many have been Soulcast into stone? Is it a significant number? You wouldn't need a huge number, but still a substantial quantity for a good army, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasGage Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, RShara said: How many have been Soulcast into stone? Is it a significant number? It is usual for wealthy lighteyes to have their bodies soulcast after death then placed in Mausoleum. It seems to be a longstanding thing because Shallan thinks about her father having to be burned rather than soulcast to join his ancestors in the family catacomb. That (to me) implies there are at least a few generations in most family catacombs of the highborn light-eyes. Lin Davar is 3rd dahn so at least the top 3 tiers of society have been doing it for a while. It may not be loads in comparison with the full population but it is likely to be a significant number. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidWayne Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) @RShara i think it's like every light eyes who can afford it. So at least everyone in the Vorin kingdoms of the fifth darn or higher for a thousand years or so. ninja'd Edited November 18, 2017 by KidWayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Then that would work out pretty nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth of Daybreak Posted November 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 minute ago, RShara said: Then that would work out pretty nicely. Here's a more specific quote for you from that chapter. Quote The ardents pushed him back into an alcove, where he joined the lines of other monarchs—most of them highprinces of the Kholin princedom. If we assume this is either just Alethkar royalty or the Kholin family line, we already have 'lines of monarchs.' I wonder if the Sunmaker is in there? Bonus points for me if Dalinar equips a lifeless Sunmaker with Oathbringer. 26 minutes ago, aemetha said: There's only one problem I see with the original post here... There are at least three awakeners on Roshar, and a distinct possibility of a fourth. Reveal hidden contents Vasher, Vivienna, Hoid and possibly Yesteel. Can you expand on the possibility of the fourth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemetha Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 It's never been accounted for where Yesteel is outside of rumour. Vasher was pursuing them all though. We assume he is on Roshar for the easy investiture, but he could as easily be there chasing someone else with much to gain from easy investiture. Hard to say with Nightblood still yet to be written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Brandon said the primary reason was the easy Investiture. He didn't really seem to be looking for anything in the interactions we've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemetha Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Yeah, I just don't discount the possibility. As far as I'm concerned nobody in the cosmere is dead unless they die on screen, their spren is witnessed departing, their eyes are burned out, their corpse is autopsied to check for hidden allomantic reserves, the corpse is then reassembled and awakened as a lifeless, and someone travels to the cognitive realm and witnesses the soul departing. It's possible I am exercising an overabundance of prudence though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 ROFL. Though Brandon has said he wants to use the Gandalf effect much more sparingly than he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army of Sheep Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) I think a Dalinar's Phantoms carrying Shardblades would be very fitting. The dead weilding the dead. Edited November 21, 2017 by Army of Sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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