Gnmish Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Hi Everyone, Not sure if his has been discussed but on my final reread of WoR before Oathbringer, I had an idea and wonder if this has been put to Brandon or speculated elsewhere. At the assassination from Jasnah's POV, we have a very brief snippet of conversation between Nale and another herald (Kalak?). When Jasnah interrupts them, Nale glares at her before the other herald returns to physically pull him away. 'His stare made her uncomfortable. She walked forward anyway. I should check further into these two, she thought. She'd investigated their backgrounds, of course, and found nothing of note. Had they been talking about a Shardblade?. "Come on!" the shorter man said, returning and taking the taller man by the arm. He allowed himself to be pulled away.' Has anyone else supposed that Nale was using whatever 'guilt sense' the Skybreakers have to detected that Jasnah is now a surgebinder (as of that evening and her dip in to shadesmar) and was plotting treason - Surge Binder & Criminal being Nales stabby stabby yahtzee. Possibly deciding if he should just kill her right there? Would he have actually done so if Jasnah had given Liss the kill order envelope? Interested to see what others think. Edited November 8, 2017 by Gnmish Edited for clarity - and I wanted to make a Yahtzee joke. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 We don't know if Nale had the "guilt sense" that evening and by the way the guilt sense would not detect a surgebinding but rather that Jasnah is or not (well she is) guilt of something. It's possible he fel the crimes Jasnah's committed but it's hard to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yezrien Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I never read the scene that way, but I like the theory. That glare he gives her could be more than meets the eye. But I doubt he'd actually kill her. He's committed to the law, which means he can only kill people if he's been legally empowered to do so, like he was in Azir. Unless Gavilar gave him special sheriff privileges, the worst he could do is report Jasnah to the authorities. When I saw this thread's title, I assumed it was about shipping. I only clicked on it to see if people were using "Jasnale." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith he/him Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 We see the two talking to Elhokar in Szeth's assassination PoV also. It was theorized on here a while ago that Nale might have been trying to convince Elhokar to give him permission to hunt surgebinders in Alethkar for precisely this purpose. Not sure if this encounter happens before or after the other. Seeing Jasnah might have gotten him to seek permission or the glare might indicate he failed to get permission. If I get time, I'll see if I can hunt that other theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Yata said: We don't know if Nale had the "guilt sense” Why would Nale not have his guilt sense? Wouldn’t a Skybreaker always have that sense? Another idea: maybe he was sensing something other than her Surgebinding abilities. What else could Jasnah have done? OB spoilers Spoiler If she’s really the author of the epigraphs she definitely committed a crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 7 hours ago, Yata said: We don't know if Nale had the "guilt sense" that evening The only way he would lack it is if he hadn't yet retrieved his Honorblade. Unless his quest to kill surgebinders started very recently, I'd expect him to possess it, and have the resonance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan he/him Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Calderis said: The only way he would lack it is if he hadn't yet retrieved his Honorblade. Out of curiosity and because I am pretty confident you would know the answer to this @Calderis, do we know that the Honorblades grant a resonance? I believe the Honorblades are "mechanical" means of accessing the Surges [continued after Era 2 Mistborn spoilers] Spoiler perhaps similar to the Southern Scadrian medallions? Do they grant a resonance of any kind? so is it possible they do not grant a resonance ability? Would Jezrien's blade have granted Szeth more squires? Would it have been possible for Szeth to have squires if he still had Jezrien's Honorblade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 @CaptainRyan it doesn't matter how the abilitws are granted. Spren, Honorblades, spikes, whatever. If you have access to the two surges, you get the resonance. This can still cause issues though, like in Jezrien's case. Quote Ray745 You have stated that each Knights Radiant order gets their own unique ability, for lack of a better word, due to the combination of their surges. For instance, you have stated this ability for the Windrunners is strength of squires. My question - is this due to the Nahel bond, or just inherent in the surges combining. Would a non-Radiant get these abilities from the Honorblades, or would they be out of luck due to no Nahel bond? Brandon Sanderson Good question! The unique abilities have more to do with the powers interacting, same as how twinborn will often manifest some odd side effects of the powers interacting. But there are limitations. For example, Jezrien didn't actually have any squires, as none of the Heralds did. No squires means he had the Windrunner resonance, but it didn’t do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I guess you could technically call Windrunners Jezriens squires. The mechanics are wildly different, but the Windrunners probably followed him around like minions and could use magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Farnsworth said: Why would Nale not have his guilt sense? Wouldn’t a Skybreaker always have that sense? Another idea: maybe he was sensing something other than her Surgebinding abilities. What else could Jasnah have done? OB spoilers Reveal hidden contents If she’s really the author of the epigraphs she definitely committed a crime Because he is not a Skybreaker, he has a tool that gives him Skybreaker's Powers (Resonance included). As @Calderispointed out, we don't know when Nale retrived his Blade. If he retrived It After Gavilar's murder...that evening he would be without any Surgebinding and this include the guilt sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I thought that was Szeth. Szeth only got his Skybreaker powers from the Honorblade. Nale is a Herald though, so I thought he could access the powers directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Farnsworth said: I thought that was Szeth. Szeth only got his Skybreaker powers from the Honorblade. Nale is a Herald though, so I thought he could access the powers directly. Szeth had Jezrien's blade, and the powers of a Windrunner, which as per the WoB I posted a few posts up, grants a useless resonance to a holder of the Honorblade. Nale has the Skybreaker blade and its associated resonance. The Heralds without their Blades are not surgebinders, and even with the blade, cannot directly infuse as Honor is shattered. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/161/#e6898 Quote Rybal Can the Heralds Surgebind without their [Honor]Blades, and if not are they under the same restrictions the Radiants are? Brandon Sanderson [...] I will say that the Heralds without their Blades are incapable of the powers you are familiar with. It doesn't mean there aren't other things they can do, but they are incapable of the powers you are familiar with throughout the book. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/117/#e1572 Quote Steeldancer The Heralds, back before Honor died, were they directly powered by Honor? Brandon Sanderson Yes. You’ll find out more about that, but the Shardblades [pretty sure he means Honorblades here] were pieces of Honor’s soul that he gave them and direct access to his essence. Steeldancer Like Vin and Elend? Brandon Sanderson Yeah, a little like that. That’s why Honorblades don’t work like Shardblades do, like Radiants do. Steeldancer The second part of the question is, what would happen if they were directly powered by Honor and they were holding Nightblood? Brandon Sanderson RAFO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 I see! I thought that Heralds were imbued with the powers of their order. I didn't know it came from their blades. That's interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 7 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said: I guess you could technically call Windrunners Jezrien's squires. The mechanics are wildly different, but the Windrunners probably followed him around like minions and could use magic. I thought it somewhat similar to this. Honor didn't plan for the KR to happen, and I believe he even said "I did not teach my Heralds this" during one of Dalinar's visions. I posited that the Radiants themselves were all his Squires. Then that WoB happened and I let the subject drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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