[OB] Dalinar loses the honorblade

[Head Crabs]

So i just realized, dalinar has been hiding the honorblade in the ventilation/sewage lines for right now. 

 

Sooo when they figure out how to power up that storming huge power core, are all the systems going to start up automatically? Will dalinar have the foresight to move the blade before turning the ignition on Urithiru? One would hope so, but seeing as that wouldnt be very interesting... is someone else about to get a surprise gift flying out of their vents or privy?!? Who would be the most terrifying person to take posession of the honorblade? 

[Solant he/him]

Think for a minute about Mraize and the blowgun, and his dialogue about learning the local weapons. If he got the honor blade, I'm sure it would end badly for someone

[Head Crabs]

Exactly! Though, when you mentioned the blowgun i couldnt help but picture a gust of wind lifting and firing the honorblade at high speed through someone's wall. 

[Calderis he/him]

14 minutes ago, Head Crabs said:

Exactly! Though, when you mentioned the blowgun i couldnt help but picture a gust of wind lifting and firing the honorblade at high speed through someone's wall. 

And thus the honorblade was lost, buried somewhere deep in the mountains surrounding Urithiru. 

[Subvisual Haze]

While thousands of years ahead of the rest of Roshar technologically, everyone in Urithiru agrees the automatically flushing toilets are more hassle than they're worth and the hand drying fabriels take too much time and don't even dry your hands very well.

[The Sovereign]

7 hours ago, Calderis said:

And thus the honorblade was lost, buried somewhere deep in the mountains surrounding Urithiru. 

[Wreith he/him]

I haven't gone back to re-read, but I thought Dalinar had cut a whole at the top of the pipe to hide the honorblade in. It wasn't in the pipe itself. might be wrong.

[Stark he/him]

As soon as it was shown to be hidden and not bonded to anyone, I figured it was going to get stolen.  Most likely by the same person who killed Asmodean.

[Head Crabs]

3 hours ago, Wreith said:

I haven't gone back to re-read, but I thought Dalinar had cut a whole at the top of the pipe to hide the honorblade in. It wasn't in the pipe itself. might be wrong.

I only made the connection because i was going back to re-read that section at the time. He didnt cut the hole, it was part of the square vents that kept popping up in the corners of rooms, described as a section that looked like it used to connect higher up via a metal pipe that had decomposed/eroded. 

 

His assumption is that it's a sewage/water line that is tied in with the other internal systems like stormlight and ventilation. Who knows where it will go?!?! 

[Wreith he/him]

3 minutes ago, Head Crabs said:

I only made the connection because i was going back to re-read that section at the time. He didnt cut the hole, it was part of the square vents that kept popping up in the corners of rooms, described as a section that looked like it used to connect higher up via a metal pipe that had decomposed/eroded. 

 

His assumption is that it's a sewage/water line that is tied in with the other internal systems like stormlight and ventilation. Who knows where it will go?!?! 

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At the side of the room, a shaft cut into the ground. Two feet wide, it was one of many strange holes, corridors, and hidden corners they’d found in the tower city. This one was probably part of a sewage system; judging by the rust on the edges of the hole, there had once been a metal pipe here connecting the stone hole in the floor to one in the ceiling.
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For now, this tube was empty. Dalinar knelt and lowered the sword into the hole, sliding it into a stone sheath he’d cut in the side

Dalinar did additional cutting. If the sword disappears, I don't think it's going to just slip through the pipes.

[Peet]

Wasn't there a line by Szeth in a previous book about the Stone Shamans being able to somehow recover the honorblade after his death? I wonder how that works. 

[mariapapadia she/her]

well.. what if a mink or a creature that likes to go through pipes/ vents/ walls ( the basilisk) takes it? we saw in tuesday chapters that they like the ventilation tunnels. 

[Stark he/him]

14 hours ago, mariapapadia said:

well.. what if a mink or a creature that likes to go through pipes/ vents/ walls ( the basilisk) takes it? we saw in tuesday chapters that they like the ventilation tunnels.

Well, now that you've pointed out the vents, it could totally get stolen by an Aimian.  I don't think they would, they seem to be anti-Odium.

 

But with the mink idea, I have this pseudo flashback to Baldur's gate and hear Minsk crying in my head "Go for the Blade Boo, go for the Blade! Then go for the eyes, but first the blade!"

[Wreith he/him]

2 hours ago, Stark said:

Well, now that you've pointed out the vents, it could totally get stolen by an Aimian.  I don't think they would, they seem to be anti-Odium.

 

But with the mink idea, I have this pseudo flashback to Baldur's gate and hear Minsk crying in my head "Go for the Blade Boo, go for the Blade! Then go for the eyes, but first the blade!"

I thought the Cosmere was perfect, but clearly it's missing Miniature Giant Space Hamsters.

My feeling is that the most likely theft of the blade will be by the Unmade that we've already seen slip through tight places.

[PunSpren he/him]

My thought, we know of a sneaky blob creature unamade that can move around through pipes and small holes, that scares me more than anything with the hidden honor blade.

[Head Crabs]

I thought about midnight mother as a possible thief but disregarded it. I dont think it would be possible for spren of odium to interact or use something that grants investuture directly from honor. 

[Wreith he/him]

2 minutes ago, Head Crabs said:

I thought about midnight mother as a possible thief but disregarded it. I dont think it would be possible for spren of odium to interact or use something that grants investuture directly from honor. 

Does it grant investure directly on its own?

A. I don't think it's been confirmed that the Heralds could draw investure directly though it makes sense. (please offer a source if I'm wrong)
B. If they can, I thought it was only the Heralds that could do that. Not anyone who held the blade.

[Head Crabs]

The stormfather tells dalinar that the blade grants surgebinding and other greater abilities, that men know nothing about. So there's still a lot of ambiguity about exactly what happens when a herald or non-herald holds/bonds an honor blade. 

 

I think the current consensus is that it grants abilities beyond just surgebinding though that is unclear. Perhaps tied to their immortality? The idea that an unmade would be incompatible with an honor blade is purely supposition on my part but feels in line with how different kinds of shardic investiture reacts when mixed.

[Calderis he/him]

25 minutes ago, Wreith said:

Does it grant investure directly on its own?

A. I don't think it's been confirmed that the Heralds could draw investure directly though it makes sense. (please offer a source if I'm wrong)
B. If they can, I thought it was only the Heralds that could do that. Not anyone who held the blade.

They did before Honor was splintered. 

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Questioner

The Heralds, back before Honor died, were they directly powered by Honor?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes. You’ll find out more about that, but the Shardblades [pretty sure he means Honorblades here] were pieces of Honor’s soul that he gave them and direct access to his essence.

Questioner

Like Vin and Elend?

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah, a little like that. That’s why Honorblades don’t work like Shardblades do, like Radiants do.

Questioner

The second part of the question is, what would happen if they were directly powered by Honor and they were holding Nightblood?

Brandon Sanderson

RAFO

I don't have a publicly available source for this one, but it's from Boskone, and if I remember correctly, this was asked by @Steeldancer back when he used the name Flash. 

Edit: and if it was you @Steeldancer, let me know please so that I can edit the proper attribution into the WoB in Arcanum. You deserve the credit if it was you. 

Edited November 3, 2017 by Calderis

[Steeldancer he/him]

11 minutes ago, Calderis said:

They did before Honor was splintered. 

I don't have a publicly available source for this one, but it's from Boskone, and if I remember correctly, this was asked by @Steeldancer back when he used the name Flash. 

Yes it was! The second question was for my brother, but yeah. I like that one

[Calderis he/him]

Just now, Steeldancer said:

Yes it was! The second question was for my brother, but yeah. I like that one

Thank you, I'll go fix that now. 

[StormingTexan he/him]

2 hours ago, Wreith said:

I thought the Cosmere was perfect, but clearly it's missing Miniature Giant Space Hamsters.

If you are in to this kind of thing there is a Sci-Fi series I like that has this as one of the alien races https://www.craigalanson.com/books/

 

[Wreith he/him]

25 minutes ago, StormingTexan said:

If you are in to this kind of thing there is a Sci-Fi series I like that has this as one of the alien races https://www.craigalanson.com/books/

 

lol. Series looks interesting, but I was mostly appreciating @Stark's Baldur's Gate reference.

[Subvisual Haze]

1 hour ago, Calderis said:

They did before Honor was splintered. 

I don't have a publicly available source for this one, but it's from Boskone, and if I remember correctly, this was asked by @Steeldancer back when he used the name Flash. 

Edit: and if it was you @Steeldancer, let me know please so that I can edit the proper attribution into the WoB in Arcanum. You deserve the credit if it was you. 

Oh interesting, maybe this explains why Nale can use his Honorblade but still somehow not be part of the Oathpact.  There might be two different modes for the sword: 1) burn your own stormlight, gains access to surges but not much else 2) use Honor as an external power source, gain some crazy Herald powers we haven't had explained to us yet.

[Knight Oblivion]

On 11/2/2017 at 9:27 AM, Stark said:

As soon as it was shown to be hidden and not bonded to anyone, I figured it was going to get stolen.  Most likely by the same person who killed Asmodean.

Graendal? How did she get to Roshar or the Cosmere?